Voldemort's Resurrection WAS The Spying Game and the Shrieking Shack

[grey_wolf_c]

No: HPFGUIDX 39750

Marina wrote:
> Hey, if we weren't all willing to repeat ourselves ten times on every
> point, we'd have to come up with new things to talk about practically
> every day, and that would way too much work.  There's a lot of time
> to kill until OoP.

Point accepted.

<snip my explanation of D's plan to goad V>
> That would be fine if we actually saw this being done, or heard about
> it being done, or at least observed some mysterious unexplained
> events which, when viewed with perfect hindsight at the end of GoF,
> could be recognized as part of Dumbledore's energetic anti-dishwasher
> campaign.  But I don't remember any such things in any of the books. 
> We have point A: destruction of the Stone, and point Q: Voldemort
> resurrects himself with a potion three books later. (I'm not calling
> it point Z, 'cause that would be the end of book 7.)  We don't know
> how Voldemort got from A to Q, and I think that assuming Dumbledore
> must've led him there is an awfully shaky proposition.

But when you couple it with Pip's theory, it really starts to gain some 
weight. It really fits what we know of Dumbledore's actions, and is not 
such an increadible feat to suppose that he has been 10 years pursuing 
a plan to get rid of Voldemort, when everyone thought he was dead, and 
had to do so without anyone noticing *in either side*: not the MoM, not 
Voldemort.

> > *Snape*
> > -------
> > 
> > Anyway, there is no 
> > need, Snape could've told Voldemort about the potion much earlier
> than 
> > that: during his reign of Terror, when he was still a loyal DE. I
> don't 
> > think Voldemort listened to closely, though, since it's a potion
> that, 
> > at the time, didn't interest him, since it does not grant
> inmortality, 
> > just mortality (which he already had).
> 
> You're right, Snape could've told him back then.  I withdraw that
> particular objection.

I'm happy! One of my arguments was actually accepted! (It's the bad 
thing of this list. When someone come up with a great argument, anyone 
who agrees just shuts up, so you never know whether you impressed them 
or they just plain didn't care. Since the only people who write are the 
one's who oppose you, you always feel accused. Ah, well, it forms 
character, if nothing else)
 

> Having a Plan A and a Plan B is certainly good, but isn't it kind of
> silly to have a Plan B that recklessly endangers the most vital
> element of Plan A, and then to try and execute Plan B while Plan A is
> still in the early preparation stages?  To use your housefly example,
> if my Plan A is to shoo the fly out the window, and my Plan B is to
> shut the windows and fumigate the house, I'm not going to shut the
> windows and then try to shoo the fly out.  Yet that's exactly what
> Dumbledore would be doing if he deliberately engineered Wormtail's
> escape at the end of PoA in order to facilitate Voldemort's
> resurrection.  At the time of PoA, Plan A is going just fine.  Harry
> is alive and well; he has defeated Quirrel and Tom Riddle; he's
> learning and growing and showing every sign of becoming the hero
> Dumbledore needs.  So why would Dumbledore suddenly decide to kick
> off Plan B *now*?  Why not wait and see how Harry does instead of
> jumping the gun and facilitating Voldemort's return at a time when
> Harry's still young and not fully trained?  Dumbledore could spend
> the extra time chasing down any stray dishwashers he may have missed.
> 
> Marina

No, I think you're looking at it the wrong way around (although we'll 
have to wait for Pip's essay on the graveyard scene of GoF before seing 
how *she* ties it up with her previous theory), but the way *I* see it, 
having Wormtail scape furthers both plan A (having someone with a life 
debt to Harry close to Voldemort) and plan B (having Voldemort take a 
flawed potion). We also know *from canon* that plan A was at a 
standstill by now: Voldemort couldn't touch Harry, but Harry couldn't 
kill Voldemort while in his shadow form, only his vessel. It has been 
argued before in the list that having Voldemort return to a mortal body 
is good, since it makes possible his death (when before, in his shadow 
form, he was inmortal. Powerless, yes, but inmortal... I'm sounding 
like Ollivander now...).

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf who, if he had known his Dishwasher was going to be so liked, 
would have started on an acronym with dishwasher on it right away. 
After all, it's already got D for Dumbledore, so it's got 
possibilities. Also he who has supposed Pip is a girl name, based on 
the apparent female number supperiority in the list, and who is deeply 
sorry is this is not the case.