Voldemort's Resurrection WAS The Spying Game and the Shrieking Shack

[marinafrants]

No: HPFGUIDX 39751

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
> <snip my explanation of D's plan to goad V>
> > That would be fine if we actually saw this being done, or heard
about
> > it being done, or at least observed some mysterious unexplained
> > events which, when viewed with perfect hindsight at the end of
GoF,
> > could be recognized as part of Dumbledore's energetic
anti-dishwasher
> > campaign.  But I don't remember any such things in any of the
books. 
> > We have point A: destruction of the Stone, and point Q: Voldemort
> > resurrects himself with a potion three books later. (I'm not
calling
> > it point Z, 'cause that would be the end of book 7.)  We don't
know
> > how Voldemort got from A to Q, and I think that assuming
Dumbledore
> > must've led him there is an awfully shaky proposition.
> 
> But when you couple it with Pip's theory, it really starts to gain
some 
> weight. It really fits what we know of Dumbledore's actions, and is
not 
> such an increadible feat to suppose that he has been 10 years
pursuing 
> a plan to get rid of Voldemort, when everyone thought he was dead,
and 
> had to do so without anyone noticing *in either side*: not the MoM,
not 
> Voldemort.

Actually, I'd find it a bit more believable if you *didn't* couple it
with Pip's theory.  I can see Dumbledore working to eliminate ways in
which Voldemort might come back.  I can even see him looking at the
potion possibility and saying, "Well, this one's not as bad as the
others, I'll worry about the others first."  It's the idea that
Dumbledore deliberately engineered the events in PoA to happen as they
did in order to *ensure* Voldemort's return at a time when he was
harmlessly wafting around the Albanian wilderness that I get stuck on.

> 
> > > *Snape*
> > > -------

> > You're right, Snape could've told him back then.  I withdraw that
> > particular objection.
> 
> I'm happy! One of my arguments was actually accepted! 

Hey, never let it be said I can't concede a point.


> > Having a Plan A and a Plan B is certainly good, but isn't it kind
of
> > silly to have a Plan B that recklessly endangers the most vital
> > element of Plan A, and then to try and execute Plan B while Plan A
is
> > still in the early preparation stages?  To use your housefly
example,
> > if my Plan A is to shoo the fly out the window, and my Plan B is
to
> > shut the windows and fumigate the house, I'm not going to shut the
> > windows and then try to shoo the fly out.  Yet that's exactly what
> > Dumbledore would be doing if he deliberately engineered Wormtail's
> > escape at the end of PoA in order to facilitate Voldemort's
> > resurrection.  At the time of PoA, Plan A is going just fine. 
Harry
> > is alive and well; he has defeated Quirrel and Tom Riddle; he's
> > learning and growing and showing every sign of becoming the hero
> > Dumbledore needs.  So why would Dumbledore suddenly decide to kick
> > off Plan B *now*?  Why not wait and see how Harry does instead of
> > jumping the gun and facilitating Voldemort's return at a time when
> > Harry's still young and not fully trained?  Dumbledore could spend
> > the extra time chasing down any stray dishwashers he may have
missed.
> > 
> > Marina
> 
> No, I think you're looking at it the wrong way around (although
we'll 
> have to wait for Pip's essay on the graveyard scene of GoF before
seing 
> how *she* ties it up with her previous theory), but the way *I* see
it, 
> having Wormtail scape furthers both plan A (having someone with a
life 
> debt to Harry close to Voldemort) and plan B (having Voldemort take
a 
> flawed potion). We also know *from canon* that plan A was at a 
> standstill by now: Voldemort couldn't touch Harry, but Harry
couldn't 
> kill Voldemort while in his shadow form, only his vessel.

Yeah, but where's the bad in that?  Let them stay at a standstill
until Harry is grown. There's no rush.  Plan B could just as easily
have been carried out in twenty years.  The Elder Riddle's bones
aren't going anywhere, after all.  Instead, Harry gets forced into
battle while still a half-trained child.  And for what?  Wormtail's
life-debt strikes me as a pretty dubious benefit when weighed against
the risks.  James Potter had a life-debt from Snape, who's way more
competent than Wormtail, and where did it get him?

> Grey Wolf who, if he had known his Dishwasher was going to be so
liked, 
> would have started on an acronym with dishwasher on it right away. 

Oooh, ooh, I can do this!

MAGIC DISHWASHER: Myseterious Agendas Generate Interesting Conclusion:
Dumbledore Is Secretely Hatching Ways to Assure Superiority for Harry
in the Emerging Resolution

Marina
rusalka at ix.netcom.com