Two clarifications, was Re: Voldemorts Resurrection WAS l...

[datalaur]

No: HPFGUIDX 39829

Amanda Geist:
 > First point--English usage. I would like to clarify those 
particular words "stopper death." This is not an antique or quaint 
way of saying  "stop" death. In fact, they clarified it in the movie 
script, probably for this very reason, although it damaged the flow 
of the speech irreparably ('put a stopper in death,' indeed).
 > 
 > To "stopper death" is to put death in a bottle; it's a poetic way 
of saying "to put death in a bottle and put the stopper in." Stopper =
> > > the cork, the thing on top of the bottle.

Gray wolf:
> > I want to make a point: in my tranlated version it says "stop 
death" <snip> Anyway, in  the film, "put a stopper to death" still 
means the same I understood from my version: prevent death from 
occouring

Eloise:
> I have to say that my interpretation of this has always agreed with 
Grey Wolf's. I read it as to confine death, as it were, so that it 
can't get out. 
> (It comes at the end of a short list of things that are for the 
benefit of 
> the potion-maker (fame, glory) with which immortality would go 
well. 


Agree with Eloise and Grey wolf.  I think the issue can be settled 
by "translating" the terms into plain english and deciding what Snape 
wants the kids to hear.  

Does he want them to know he can teach them to "get fame, get glory, 
and kill people"?

Does he want them to think he can teach them about fame, glory and 
being victorious over death?

Surely Snape is not telling them "I can teach you to kill people."  
Even were he allowed by Dumbledore to do that, can you imagine anyone 
but the darker Slyths being motivated by this?  Snape is trying to 
get the kids *interested* in Potions (and to impress them with what 
he can teach), not turn them against the subject.  And of course 
there isn't any outcry from the noble Gryffs, so the kids must 
interpret the remark as "I can teach you to defeat death".

datalaur