Time turner whodunnit/MAGIC DISHWASHER

[bluesqueak]

No: HPFGUIDX 39839

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "darrin_burnett" <bard7696 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:

> > darrin_burnett" wrote:
> > <snip who knows about Hermione's TT>
> > > Yes, but why wouldn't Snape know? I would think ALL the faculty 
> > > members would have to be appraised of Hermione's schedule and 
> > > the method she was using to take seven classes in a five-period 
> > > week. 
> > 
> 
> 
> Grey Wolf wrote:
 
> > IMO he does know. If you have been following the MAGIC DISHWASHER 
> > theory, you'll notice one of it's main points is that Dumbledore 
> > has Snape well informed of everything that's going on. Only that, 
> > apart from being very nasty and a great potion teacher/master, 
> > he's also a good actor, and he doesn't want Fudge to know what's 
> > really going on (not that he needs much help, but you never know).
  
> 
Darrin replied:
> I dunno. You have to swallow a lot to go with this facet of the 
> Magic Dishwasher theory. Snape was REALLY ticked off at the end of 
> PA and wasn't informed that Sirius Black was on the side of the    
> good guys until the end of GoF.
> 
> So, if he thought Hermione had anything to do with helping Sirius 
> escape, I have to believe he'd rat her out. <Snip>
> Out of spite, Snape basically forced Lupin to resign by letting it 
> slip he was a werewolf. If Snape has been part of the anti-
> Voldemort team for all this time, I don't think he does that.
> 

OK - Snape forcing Lupin to resign *is* compatible with MAGIC 
DISHWASHER - and in fact there are several possible scenarios. I'll 
play with two.

**IMAGINARY Scenario One**.
After a year of Snape telling him Lupin cannot be trusted, Dumbledore 
and Snape have a post-Sirius-Escape discussion which goes something 
like 

Snape: "I have told you and told you that Lupin might be working with 
Black, given you reasons why he might be a Death Eater [see Pippin's 
excellent series of posts on Ever So Evil Lupin- #39822 is a good 
summary], argued that he isn't reliable about taking his potions - 
and look what happened tonight. He ran after Sirius without even 
thinking it might be a good idea to warn you; didn't take his potion; 
nearly killed Harry; and is currently wandering around the Forbidden 
Forest in werewolf form. Even if you *still* believe he is on our 
side he's too much of a loose cannon to have in Hogwarts." 

Dumbledore: "I do still believe Lupin is loyal, Severus. But I agree 
that he keeps back far too many secrets. He could well have ruined 
everything tonight. Perhaps it might be better to find him a role 
that does not include teaching at Hogwarts. I think I will have to 
ask for his resignation in the morning."

Snape: "No. Don't *ask* for his resignation. I still believe he is a 
Death-Eater; you'll have to give far too many explanations to get him 
to resign from the first good job he's had in years. He knows I hate 
him, he knows I don't trust him; if I announce to my Slytherins that 
he's a werewolf they'll make so much fuss he'll be forced to resign. 
And Lupin is not likely to ask for any explanations if I do that - 
after tonight he'll be convinced he knows exactly why I did it."

This scenario does rather paint Dumbledore in an extremely 'grey' 
light in agreeing to a rather Slytherinesque subterfuge; so I'll also 
offer:

** IMAGINARY Scenario Two**

Snape and Dumbledore in post-Sirus Escape discussions as before. 
After a night in which he's been knocked unconscious, nearly killed 
by Dementors, had to crawl sickeningly to Fudge, needed to trust 
Dumbledore and collude in the escape of someone he hates; and then, 
worse, have to cover the escape up afterwards by convincing the 
Minister for Magic that he's a complete nutter, Snape is not in the 
happiest of moods. 

Matters have been made worse by Poppy telling him that the anti-
headache potion shouldn't be taken with concussion, so he also has a 
terrible headache. ;-)

Snape: "I have told you and told you that Lupin is not to be trusted -
 look at the reasons I gave you in Scenario One above. You are very 
fond of everyone's right to make their own choices, Headmaster, so 
now I'm telling you that I have made a choice of my own. Whatever 
your wishes, I am no longer willing to have Remus Lupin in this 
school. I am now going to go bed. In the morning I am going to inform 
my Slytherins that Lupin is a werewolf. That will force his 
resignation; if you find that you object to this so strongly that you 
no longer wish me to work with you, then you can have my resignation 
at the same time. Goodnight!"

And Snape stomps off.

I like Scenario Two - it makes Dumbledore less 'grey' and makes 
Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore much less blind than, say, Hagrid's. 
Snape becomes someone who is willing to disagree with Dumbledore (and 
act on this) if he feels strongly enough about it - but who will 
*not* do so in an emergency situation.

Darrin wrote:
> I find it easier to believe Snape wasn't told about Hermione having 
> the Time-Turner than him knowing all along and play-acting for 
> Fudge. Maybe only the affected professors were told. Perhaps 
> Dumbledore decided it wasn't a good idea for the head of Slytherin 
> house to know a Time-Turner was around.
<Snip> 


Why, was he going to steal it off Hermione? [grin]. Frankly, with all 
the exceptionally dangerous potions Snape knows about, I don't think 
a Time-Turner would be any additional danger. But you seem to be a 
Snape-Is-Ever-So-Evil supporter, and since the most basic premise of 
MAGIC DISHWASHER is that Snape is NOT evil, we're unlikely to 
agree. ;-)

But I hope I've shown that Snape getting Lupin fired doesn't  
necessarily HAVE to be completely underhand, or to have a purely 
spiteful motive (I'm not denying that Snape does dislike Lupin, or 
that his dislike may be a *part* of his motivation). 

Scenario Two actually doesn't *need* MAGIC DISHWASHER to be 
plausible. You can still have Snape not knowing what the heck is 
going on and saying 'I'm going to force Lupin to resign, and if you 
don't like it you can have my resignation instead...'  
        
Pip