Time turner whodunnit/MAGIC DISHWASHER

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 39862

Pip wrote:

 
> > ** IMAGINARY Scenario Two**
> > 
> > Snape and Dumbledore in post-Sirus Escape discussions as before. 
> > After a night in which he's been knocked unconscious, nearly 
killed 
> > by Dementors, had to crawl sickeningly to Fudge, needed to trust 
> > Dumbledore and collude in the escape of someone he hates; and 
then, 
> > worse, have to cover the escape up afterwards by convincing the 
> > Minister for Magic that he's a complete nutter, Snape is not in 
the 
> > happiest of moods. 
> > 
> 
> 
But WHY would Snape be covering up? He does not find out about 
Sirius  being a good guy until GoF. He doesn't even find out about 
Sirius  being Padfoot until GoF. 
 
Why would Snape fake surprise and anger at seeing Sirius at the end 
of GoF? Just for Harry's benefit? Hell, if anything his surprise 
and  anger made Harry even more suspicious. How does that benefit 
Dumbledore's master plan?

And Snape was angrier at Harry than he's ever been at the end of PoA. 
If Snape is a good guy, then it follows that he thought Harry had 
just committed one of the most foolish acts ever, helping Sirius 
Black escape.
 
I question whether Dumbledore knew of Sirius' innocence until the 
end  of PoA. He insinuates that he did not know that Sirius and 
Pettigrew had swapped places and Pettigrew was actually the secret-
keeper.

No, I believe Snape was completely in the dark about Sirius until 
GoF, in which case he has no motivation to protect any student who 
he  thought might have helped him escape.
 
Pip continued:

> > Matters have been made worse by Poppy telling him that the anti-
> > headache potion shouldn't be taken with concussion, so he also 
has 
> a 
> > terrible headache. ;-)
> > 
> > Snape: "I have told you and told you that Lupin is not to be 
> trusted -
> >  look at the reasons I gave you in Scenario One above. You are 
very 
> > fond of everyone's right to make their own choices, Headmaster, 
so 
> > now I'm telling you that I have made a choice of my own. Whatever 
> > your wishes, I am no longer willing to have Remus Lupin in this 
> > school. I am now going to go bed. In the morning I am going to 
> inform 
> > my Slytherins that Lupin is a werewolf. That will force his 
> > resignation; if you find that you object to this so strongly that 
> you 
> > no longer wish me to work with you, then you can have my 
> resignation 
> > at the same time. Goodnight!"
> > 
> > And Snape stomps off.
> > 
> > I like Scenario Two - it makes Dumbledore less 'grey' and makes 
> > Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore much less blind than, say, 
Hagrid's. 
> > Snape becomes someone who is willing to disagree with Dumbledore 
> (and 
> > act on this) if he feels strongly enough about it - but who will 
> > *not* do so in an emergency situation.
> 
> 
I need to read this Magic Dishwasher theory in its entirety, and I 
will, but it seems to me that it not only assumes Snape is a good 
guy, but that Snape is the smartest guy in the room.
 
What keeps coming back to me is that for this theory to work, 
Dumbledore would have had to have Snape around, being nasty to 
Harry, JUST IN CASE Voldemort came back and JUST IN CASE Fudge would 
be a weenie about it and try to cover it up.
 
No, I think being nasty to Harry -- and to non-Slytherin students 
in  general -- comes perfectly naturally to Snape. I think his 
ambition blinds him at times and he ratted out Lupin out of spite.

The Dishwasher theory doesn't seem to allow Snape to be petty and 
spiteful. In fact, at times it seems to make him more sainted than 
Dumbledore, especially when you consider how callous Dumbledore would 
have to be to allow everything to happen.
 
Now, will that ultimately have been the right call, and Lupin is a 
bad guy? Maybe... I do believe someone will betray Dumbledore, and 
I  don't believe it will be Snape, just because of that is too easy.
 
But if it is Lupin, then I think Snape will have just been angry at 
the right guy for once.
  
> > Darrin wrote:
> > > I find it easier to believe Snape wasn't told about Hermione 
> having 
> > > the Time-Turner than him knowing all along and play-acting for 
> > > Fudge. Maybe only the affected professors were told. Perhaps 
> > > Dumbledore decided it wasn't a good idea for the head of 
> Slytherin 
> > > house to know a Time-Turner was around.
> > <Snip> 
> > 
> > 
> > Why, was he going to steal it off Hermione? [grin]. Frankly, with 
> all 
> > the exceptionally dangerous potions Snape knows about, I don't 
> think 
> > a Time-Turner would be any additional danger. But you seem to be 
a 
> > Snape-Is-Ever-So-Evil supporter, and since the most basic premise 
> of 
> > MAGIC DISHWASHER is that Snape is NOT evil, we're unlikely to 
> > agree. ;-)
> 
> 
It's been hinted that Draco is not far behind Hermione as far as 
top  marks in the class. In CoS, Lucius gripes at Draco for letting 
the mudblood beat him, and moreover, we really don't read about Draco 
doing badly in any class. I think Snape could make a fair case that 
if Granger gets a Time-Turner, then Draco should get one too. And 
perhaps the powers-that-be didn't want that.
 
This fits with Magic Dishwasher, although I disagree with the 
theory.  The good-guy Snape would have to be kept in the dark on some 
issues, because if any of the Slytherins figured it out on their own -
- saw  Hermione turning the hourglass, for instance -- then he has 
plausible  deniability when they go running to him.
> 
  
>  Scenario Two actually doesn't *need* MAGIC DISHWASHER to be 
> > plausible. You can still have Snape not knowing what the heck is 
> > going on and saying 'I'm going to force Lupin to resign, and if 
you 
> > don't like it you can have my resignation instead...'  
> >         
> 
It IS interesting that Dumbledore didn't fight Lupin harder on the 
resignation, considering he ignored Hagrid's attempt to resign 
(Hagrid is a much more popular person, though) and has kept a 
former  Death Eater around.
 
I just hope it turns out that Snape is a lot more conflicted that 
Magic Dishwasher seems to give him credit for being. He seems to me 
like an evil guy who did one good thing -- warned Dumbledore about 
the Potters being next on the hit list -- and regrets it ever since.
 
Darrin Burnett
I did something good once.