Why AK is unforgiveable (a little long)
four4furies
fourfuries at aol.com
Wed Jun 19 16:28:48 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 40063
Long time since I posted, though I have been keeping up.
I think we do not give JKR enough credit for her socio-political
references. The Three Unforgivable curses are unforgivable because
they violate the basic Human Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit
of Happiness (or in the case of Crucio, freedom from unjustified
infliction of pain).
That they are unblockable is of little consequence really. I may be
able to block a knife thrust to my gut, but it is still illegal to
try and stab someone. Nor is intent the key. I may not intend
someone harm by locking them in my basement, but it is still false
imprisonment. What counts is the effect they have on the victim.
They take away the only things that make life as a human being
special, be we muggles or magi.
The question of the importance of human rights and qualities will
likely get played out in the continuing revelations surrounding house
elves. I suspect Hermione's minions here on the list will be shocked
to discover that the biggest difference between
House Elf slavery and our modern examples of abuse is that house
elves are not human, while black slaves, european jews, gay men,
feminists, the handicapped, and republicans presumably are.
Finally, Crouch sr and other zealous aurors used the Unforgivables in
the same way that soldiers at war have greater powers than police men
at peace. Conflict and crises often cause us to compromise our
virtues, but it does not relieve us of the responsibility to return
to our ideals as soon as circumstances permit. You'll see what I
mean as the war on terror continues.
FourFuries
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., heidit at n... <heidit at n...> wrote:
> "random_monkey0_0" <ntg85 at p...> wrote:
> > Pippin:
> > > I think it's unforgiveable because it's a spell that can *only*
be
> > > done with murderous intent and has no use other than killing.
>
> But we don't know anything from canon about the intent one has to
have while
> doing it. And it's also been stated that it's unforgiveable against
humans -
> does that mean one can use it to kill bugs at one's house?
> > I was under the impression that it was unforgiveable because
there was
> > no way to stop it (or at least, very few ways...)
> > Incidentally, if Imperius is unforgiveable, why did Crouch Sr.
use it?
> > Would he have been thrown in jail if Junior hadn't been kissed?
> We don't know what the punishment level for breaking someone out of
Azkaban
> would be. Crouch probably realised that by the time he put Imperius
on his
> son, he'd be going to Azkaban for the breakout in the first place.
>
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