Hagrid the Betrayer/ Hagrid, the one who can't handle his job

[aldrea279]

No: HPFGUIDX 40089

I wrote:
> ~Aldrea (I think Hagrid deserves an acronym supporting him. Even 
> Snape has one[actually, I think there are several], for crying out 
> loud! =P)

Darrin replied:
>I'm on the case!

>SAVE HAGRID FROM COMPLETE DISRESPECT!

>Should Albus and Voldemort Epic Hurtle Against Goodness, Remember: 
>Indomitable Determination From Rubeus and Olympe May Contribute 
>Outstandingly to Master Potter's Lasting Efforts To Eliminate 
>Darkness. Indeed, Stalwart Rubeus' Enormous Strength and Power Ends 
>Conflict Totally!

>Darrin --
>I don't hzve a job. I just sit in the dark, coming up with acronyms>

Lol, great!  I've looked at some at Inish Alley and the ones people 
come up with really amaze me.  I suppose they're the other people 
that sit in the dark and word on acronyms. =P

Darrin also said:
>And Aldrea (great name, by the way) wrote:>

Thankies.  It's not my real name(perhaps I should start signing with 
that, alot of people around here do...), it's from a book series.  I 
doubt anyone here would know the series, though. *grins at Kat, who 
does*

Darrin:
>I've said that Hagrid could end up being the unintentional betrayer 
in this coming battle, but I also believe he will end up heroic -- 
perhaps dying a heroic death.

More than any other adult in Harry's world, I don't expect Hagrid to 
be alive at the end of Book 7.>

I've heard this before, and people mostly seem to be basing this on 
Dumbledore's "I would trust Hagrid with my life" statement.  I think 
Dumbledore's trust in Hagrid might come into play(heck, the Giant 
thing could be where it comes into play)...but I don't know if Hagrid 
will die.  I can very well see the possibilities, and the one you 
pointed out does seem the most obvious for Hagrid's character.  Ah, 
well, perhaps I'm just letting the fact that I don't want Hagrid to 
die getting in the way.  I've always thought he'd end up something 
like Frank Bryce, puttering around the Hogwarts grounds until he 
dies. *grins*


*reads Jenny's post on Hagrid's teaching and mutters something about 
Jenny and her good arguements...darn her!* =P


Jenny, quoting me wrote:

>> Hagrid completely lost his confidence, he had wanted to make a fun 
class, so he tried something exciting for his frist lesson- when 
Draco 
screwed that up, he just went completely backwards. Exciting was too 
dangerous, he should stick to boring and safeness. He stopped putting 
the kids in "danger" when he went to flobberworms [snip[>>

>That is exactly the problem, IMO. If I was a parent of a Hogwarts 
student, I certainly would not want my child to study the same 
unchallenging thing every day for most of the term. *As* a teacher, I 
would suffer serious consequences if I taught the way Hagrid did in 
PoA. If he lost his confidence, he should turn in his curriculum and 
let someone else do the teaching.>


I don't think Hagrid was quite ready to turn in the towel yet, 
though.  We were shown how ecstatic he was at being made a teacher, 
and I suppose he might have felt foolish for giving up after one 
lesson.  But I don't blame Hagrid for switching to flobberworms at 
all.  He tried hippogriffs, a dangerous animal(though I'm sure he 
didn't realize it *grins*) and Draco got attacked.  Draco then goes 
to his father about it, and tries to get Hagrid fired.  I'm sure his 
dad has lost -some- sayso since the CoS incident, so it seems the 
most he could do was to get Buckbeak brought to trial.  And I'm sure 
that Hagrid hadn't forgotten what had happened when Lucius had gotten 
involved in school matters the last time, and he just decided to take 
the safe way and tone his class down- alot.  

Jenny:
>If I lost my confidence every time 
I had a run-in with a student, I would have been fired a few weeks 
into my first teaching position - and I would have deserved it.>

IIRC, Hagrid was able to control Draco the next time he hinted at 
starting something in his class.  I forget exactly where, but I know 
I remember Hagrid calling Draco on his antics and shutting the little 
brat up.  Hagrid learned something from his mistake.

Jenny:
>A number of members here have mentioned that one of Hagrid's 
problems 
is that, even though he is an adult, he is not quite as developed as 
one. I agree and see that as a serious flaw in Hagrid's character.> 

There's a number of adult characters that are also not quite 
developed- Snape, Sirius, Lupin, and some have even said Dumbledore 
himself.

Jenny:
>Aside from the Norbert incident in SS, Harry and Co. have listened 
to 
Hagrid blubber in PoA and helped talk him into facing Hogwarts after 
Rita Skeeter's article was printed. Once again, if my students had to 
constantly give *me* support and advice, my principal and assistant 
principal would encourage me to transfer to another school.>

Hagrid doesn't really see the Trio as being students outside of the 
classroom, he sees them as good friends.  He had some hardships, and 
he got some advice from some friends.  It's not as if Hagrid was 
blubbering away while talking about flobberworms- he was doing so in 
the confines of his own household and with good friends.

Jenny:
>Here's what I think: the 
fact that the Trio even *once* helped sober up Hagrid is too much.>

I don't recall it ever being stated that Hagrid was actually drunk.  
All the times I remember the Trio helping Hagrid was when he had been 
crying/upset about something and then it being mentioned about him 
drinking- but never drunk.  I do remember Hermione taking a glass 
away from him, but I'd always though that she didn't think Hagrid 
should be drinking at all in the state he was in.

Jenny:
>I'm not even a parent (but may be one some day) but I keep thinking 
about if my child told me about the drunk groundskeeper and how he 
had 
to have his face stuffed in a barrel of water to clear his head.>

Well, if I'm remembering the scene correctly, Hagrid dunking his head 
could have been to sober him up emotionally as much as to sober him 
up physically.  

>--jenny from ravenclaw, whose mom also doesn't like Hagrid - so 
there!> 

~Aldrea, whose mom doesn't even read HP so has no idea how she feels 
about Hagrid.  But also, who is not in any way trying to get Jenny to 
like Hagrid(that is so obviously an up-Mount-Everest battle), but 
feels that if you're not going to like him you should have more basis 
than Draco being a brat or something Hagrid didn't even do(like 
giving Rita dirt on Harry or blaming Hagrid for making his teaching 
dangerous).