Dumbledore = Nicholas Flamel?
brewpub44
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Sun Mar 10 02:59:07 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 36272
Ya know, I've been on this board for many months now, and I don't
think I've ever seen this discussed:
Is Dumbledore really Nicholas Flamel? We never see old Nick in SS, do
we? I don't know of any evidence that shows it is not true, do you?
My theory: DD is Nick. He changed his identity. The trick: first go
into obscurity. Notice how much trouble the kids have finding out who
Nick is? He's obviously been out of contemporary media, even if he
supposedly is alive. Then, wait many years, and pop back upon the
scene as Dumbledore. Notice no one has ever researched DD's bio in
any of the books. Do we even know if he went to Hogwarts? Or any
other school? I don't think it's even been mentioned. So he starts to
get acclaim for himself, and eventually rises to high levels of
prominence.
Here's a quick list of the relevant anecdotes, pro & con, that I can
think of at the moment:
Dumbledore's Chocolate Frog card bio mentions he works with Nicholas
Flamel, BUT that could be just the cover story he's created.
Dumbledore battled Grindewald in 1945, this and other anecdotes show
he's quite old, BUT he could have simply sampled the fruits of Nick's
potions obtained with the Sorceror's Stone
Hagrid slips up a lot in SS, but never slips about DD being Nick BUT
it is extremely likely DD is very clever about hiding that fact from
*everybody*. I doubt anyone would be old enough to know.
In Hermione's book, it talks about how Nicholas Flamel & his wife
Pernelle live a quiet life in Devon, BUT the book is described
as "very old." The quiet life bit corroborates Nick going into hiding
before re-emerging as DD, and the "very old" bit shows that Nick may
no longer even be in Devon anymore! He is definitely not mentioned in
Study of Recent Developments in Wizardry.
At the end of SS, DD talks about the stone. "As much money and life
as you could want!" Now, reflect back to the Mirror of Erised. DD
says he only sees himself holding a pair of wool socks (which I see
as him being silly, not really meaning it). So if he doesn't really
have those desires, if he really has everything he wants, then isn't
it likely he can have as much gold as he wants, and is immortal?
Taking a cue from the Elves in the Lord of the Rings, nothing
eliminates desire like being immortal -- there's simply all the time
in the world to do whatever you want to do, kind of takes the fun out
of it.
He does talk about how Nick & Pernelle will die, AND he does seem
older to Harry at the end of GoF, BUT that was a very traumatic book,
so it would only make sense to look older, no matter who you are.
Finally (just because I'm tired of typing), many times in the four
books it is insinuated that DD knows many of the "ancient magics".
Well, he bloody well should if he's Nicholas Flamel!
Anyway, do you agree? Are there holes in my theory? Let me know!
Cheers!
A Barkeep in Diagon Alley
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