TBAY: The Night The Jabberknoll Screamed

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 38923

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "abigailnus" <abigailnus at y...> wrote:
Abigail:
 
> Yes, but he was Stunned *and* Imperiused!  We know that stunning 
eventually 
> wears off (Snape shakes his off after receiving a triple and "over-
enthusiastic" 
> dose in PoA) and that a strong-minded, properly trained person 
(both of which 
> Moody obviously is) can shake off an Imperius - but both of them 
together? Even 
> Moody wouldn't be able to recover from that, and if he did, he 
would be locked in 
> a box (and a man who keeps a secret dungeon inside his trunk 
probably didn't 
> make it easy to escape), cold, hurt, probably not too well-fed, and 
missing
>  both a 
> leg and an eye.  I think it's entirely possible that Moody shook 
off the Imperius 
> several times and couldn't do a thing about his situation.  

Yes - *very* hard. Stunned *and* Imperioused inside a locked trunk, 
kept in there for a long time - long enough perhaps to resist 
stunning, but not yet Imperious. Moody would also be very thirsty 
(Guess that trunk was also dusty) - so he has *little* resistance 
when Crouch gave him something to drink. Moody *was* in near 
malnutrition, wasn't he? Crouch remembered to Imperious him to eat 
every time he fed him - only enough for him to live...
It'd be extremely hard to resist something that goes along with your 
needs! Particulalarly if that need is so strong that you die if it's 
not fulfilled.

> This leaves me with only the fact that we know Crouch Jr. got 
information out 
> of Moody by Imperiusing him, and I really don't know how to answer 
that, except 
> that perhaps one's physical fitness affects one's ability to shake 
of the Imperius 
> control, and if Moody was mistreated as I suggested, he might have 
found fighting 
> off the curse harder (now who's got a yellow flag waving?)

Of course it is. First he's near dying of thirst and lack of food - 
Crouch Imperiouses him and *commands* him to eat and drink. If you 
resist Imperious it's best to start as soon as possible- giving in 
makes resistance hard if not impossible.

Abigail:

>I mean, this is the man who supposedly makes Neville's life 
miserable 
> because he (Snape) did something terrible to him (Neville) which he 
now feels 
> guilty about, but there's just no attitude coming off him towards 
Moody.  
> Nothing apart from a general resentment for the fact that Moody 
still thinks 
> he's a DE, the same Moody who, 14 years or so ago, trusted Snape 
enough to  
> involve him in an important criminal investigation, even though 
Snape is not only 
> a lowly civilain, but a former DE.  It just doesn't work for me.

Well...
1) If there *was* a Jobberknoll and Snape killed it so they could 
find out what happened -- what if that Jobberknoll was Neville's pet? 
Just imagine how Neville would react if someone killed Trevor?

2) *Snape* made the Memory Potion. (Possibly right there - there's 
always Accio if he didn't bring something) Snape. He also keeps 
seeing Snape making *potions*. It's a reminder of the Night.

3) Snape fed it to Neville... Neville is *not* going to drink any 
potions from Snape. So a Cauldron will melt or potion boil over.

4) Moody was there as some sort of supervisor and Snape wasn't given 
*total* freedom but that he had to be watched over. (By Dumbledore or 
an auror). Or Snape arrived first - Moody came in with Crouch only to 
see Snape with a dead and live Jobberknoll and little Neville there, 
crying, sucking tumb.

Snape kills other Jobberknoll to get all clear (hard to make out if 
people speak backwords) Snape doesn't see Neville, but Neville sees 
him...

-- Finwitch