Coherence II/QWC Coherence II

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No: HPFGUIDX 39102

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:

These replies are slightly late; RL deadlines interfering. Apologies.

Pip wrote:
> > Next section:  'Why can't Quirrel touch Harry?'. This does not at 
any 
> > point say that Voldemort is going to be unable to touch Harry. 
What 
> > we are told about Voldemort is that he doesn't understand love, 
that 
> > he doesn't understand that Harry will be marked by his mother's 
> > sacrifice, that he doesn't realise that it gives Harry *some* 
> > protection [my emphasis].
> > 
> >  Dumbledore's last line is
> > "Quirrel, full of hatred, greed and ambition, sharing his soul 
with 
> > Voldemort, could not touch you for this reason."
> > 
> > Note that Quirrel is the subject of that sentence, not Voldemort. 
We 
> > are left believing that Voldemort cannot touch Harry because of 
the 
> > way the information about Quirrel, and  the information about 
> > Voldemort, is mixed together.

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
 
> And yet... in the rebirthing scene, Voldemort taunts Harry by      
> stroking his face with that long, cold white finger and            
> saying  "see,I can touch you now..."

You are absolutely correct. And if you go through the books you will 
find there is no on-stage scene where Harry tells this information to 
anyone who we would know could have told it to Voldemort (say, Moody, 
or Ron when Scabbers is in his pocket). So, either Voldemort has 
reached same conclusion independently (which would strongly suggest 
that I am completely wrong), or:

[Innocently]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but at the end of GoF, 
there's a gleam in Dumbledore's eye...

[flattens herself on the floor as a stream of curses, jinxes, 
dungbombs and howlers fly over her head]

Ah! Right. OK, you know about the gleam. [grin]  And you've noticed 
that Harry often dreams about Voldemort, and those dreams are 
sometimes visions of what is happening to Voldemort. And at the end 
of CoS Dumbledore speculates that Voldemort has left a little of his 
soul in Harry. 

So, is the link two way? Does Voldemort know some things that Harry 
knows? And is that why Harry is being deliberately left in the dark 
about so much? Are Dumbledore's 'misdirections' of Harry actually 
aimed at Voldemort?

Of course, if that is so, then JKR is definitely subverting the 
detective format. In detective stories, the detective is someone who 
*must* solve the case. In the Potterverse, it might be 
that 'detective' Harry is someone who *mustn't* solve it.

Until, of course, we reach the end of book seven.:-)
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 "catlady_de_los_angeles" <catlady at w...> 
wrote:
>I'm working on a theory that all the stuff at QWC was *intended* as 
>red herrings (or background info, such as the name Death Eater). 
>Until she re-jiggered the plot to fix the infamous plot hole. I 
>wrote about it in 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/38421 

Like the theory. Not sure I agree with it yet, but you could end up 
with enough evidence to convince me.

Have you considered whether a theory of 'Winky the House Elf is Ever 
So Evil' could fit into Crouch Jr impersonating Crouch Sr? Given that 
I am assuming that the whole QWC Barty escape attempt (which has NO 
coincidences if you decide it was planned/ordered by Voldemort and 
deliberately assisted by Winky) was designed by JKR to get Winky 
fired from her role as the Crouches's House Elf and thus 'plant' her 
in Hogwarts for a later book.

Pip

(Who really likes Winky. Really. But still suspects her. :-)   )