GOF: Some things cleared up by reading. And LOTS of various questions/theories

[erisedstraeh2002]

No: HPFGUIDX 46237

Julie ("jastrangfeld") wrote:

> Ok, about 3 weeks ago or so I mentioned that I had thought the 
> Riddles were killed by the Basilisk.  Yet if that were true, well, 
> I have to ask, if they're killed by the basilisk, they're bodies 
> would not decay, right?

Now me:

It's clear to me that Voldemort killed his father and his 
grandparents by hitting them with AKs.  They were not killed by the 
basilisk (which was locked up in the Chamber at the time).

I don't think there's anything in canon that suggests that the body 
of a person who is killed by a basilisk does not decay.  Moaning 
Myrtle turned into a ghost, but that doesn't mean her body didn't 
decay.

Julie again:

> Voldemort seems to make stupid mistakes simply because he does not 
> think through what he wants to do because he's so power hungry! 
> <snip> And then to top it all off, he does not want help from the 
> DE's.  He wants to be the one to kill Harry.  

Me again:

While I agree that Voldemort is power hungry, I don't think he's 
stupid.  He has a need to show his DEs that he can kill Harry because 
he's has three unsuccessful attempts at killing Harry so far.  By 
showing the DEs that he can kill Harry in a fair and square duel, he 
restores his DE power base and facilitates his rise to power.

Voldemort believed he had thought it all through - by using Harry's 
blood in the potion, he believed he had negated the power of Lily's 
self-sacrifice.  And he was correct - he could now touch Harry 
without hurting himself.  However, he didn't anticipate the priori 
incantatem effect.  I have a theory (which Grey Wolf kindly added to 
MAGIC DISHWASHER) that Dumbledore and Ollivander knew about it (since 
they were the only two that knew that both Harry and Voldemort's 
wands contained one of Fawkes' tail feathers) and thought it would 
save Harry's life in the final battle with Voldemort.  I don't think 
Dumbledore and Ollivander anticipated it happening this early on in 
the fight, however.

Julie again:

> Although I found it interesting that Crouch!Moody thought that 
> killing Harry would bring him even more glory, as Voldemort seemed 
> to not want any DE to kill Harry, as he wanted that privilidge 
> himself.

Me again:

My theory (which was also added to MAGIC DISHWASHER, I believe) is 
that Crouch!Moody was left at Hogwarts during Voldemort's rebirthing 
party as a back-up plan in case Harry escaped the graveyard.  So, IMO 
Crouch!Moody was under orders from Voldemort to kill Harry if he were 
to return to Hogwarts.

Julie again:

> Now I have another question about the Triwizard cup Portkey. 
> Neither Harry nor Cedric had heard that the Triwizard cup was a 
> portkey.  They both thought they just had to touch it, and the game 
> would be over.  Now, when he is transported back to the starting 
> point (as Triwizard cups do when you grab them again) he found 
> himself just outside the maze.  I presume this is where people get 
> the idea that it was supposed to be a portkey for the games?  But I 
> don't believe this could be quite the complete explanation.  I 
> don't believe that Portkeys bring you back to the exact spot where 
> you transported from, but somewhere near it.  I think the end of 
> the maze was right next to the stands.

Me again:

The MAGIC DISHWASHER theory holds that Crouch!Moody put an extra stop 
into the Cup portkey.  So the portkey was originally intended to take 
the person who touched the Cup first out to the front of the maze.  
Crouch!Moody put an extra stop in to take the person to the graveyard 
instead.  However, after the graveyard stop, the person who touches 
the Cup would go back to the original portkey destination - the front 
of the maze.

Julie again:

> So if they knew they were so far away, and they knew the cup was a 
> portkey, why didn't they just grab it and go back to the game?  

Me again:

I don't think Harry and Cedric knew the Cup would take them back to 
Hogwarts.  The reverse echo of Harry's father tells Harry this during 
the priori incantatem, but I don't think it had occurred to either 
Cedric or Harry before then.

~Phyllis