[HPforGrownups] Re: Re: Lucius and the Diary

[Carol Bainbridge]

No: HPFGUIDX 46660

Anne wrote:

>Here is an idea I haven't seen before.  What if
>Diary!Riddle told Lucius to plant the diary in a
>student's things? I can't see Lucius having such a
>thing and never trying to find out what it's for, so I
>think it quite likely that he would have written in
>it, especially after the fall of Voldemort.  Then
>Lucius and Diary!Riddle may have worked out the plot
>between them.

I figured that the diary was one of the many things Lucius has in that 
special room he mentioned in the shop in Knockturn alley.  I also figured 
that Lucius has many things belonging to LV.  I'm also guessing that he 
knows exactly what everything is for and how it's used.  I'm wondering what 
made him choose that year to pass the diary to Ginny.  I also wonder if he 
had always intended to pass the diary to some unsuspecting Hogwart's 
student or if the encounter with the Weasleys in the bookstore made him 
decide to stick it in Ginny's cauldron. Lucius clearly knew something was 
going to happen at Hogwarts and he most certainly had a hand in planning 
it.  If he didn't, why would Dobby know about it?  He was afraid of telling 
Harry what he knew because he'd been talking with other house elves; he 
didn't want to say bad things about his master.  Was he in contact with LV 
somehow?  I didn't think he knew a lot about how the diary works because he 
didn't seem to have provided Riddle with much information, which I would 
think Riddle would ask for.  Would Lucius lie?  I wouldn't think so.  It 
seems like that would be too risky and we have no indication that Riddle 
knew something other than what Ginny wrote to him when she had the 
diary.  And if I remember correctly (a big "if"), Riddle first learns about 
the great Harry Potter through Ginny.  Riddle also says that his original 
goal had been to get rid of the mudbloods at Hogwarts, but after learning 
about Harry from Ginny, he changed his goal to getting rid of him.  So why 
was Harry in danger?  Why did Dobby want Harry to stay away from Hogwarts 
that year?  Was the goal to get rid of mudbloods first and then half bloods?

Anyway, I think Lucius knew exactly what that diary was for and he knew 
because Voldemort had probably told him.  When he told him, I don't know, 
but I do think Lucius knew and is doing what Voldemort would want him to do 
with it.  Why that year?

Anne also wrote:

>As to why Tom Riddle would have originally made such a diary, I believe 
>what he told Harry was at least part
>of the truth -- he wanted to leave something behind to carry on the "heir 
>of Slytherin" work he had begun.
>It was sort of an ego-trip, that he would make it possible for he himself 
>to finish this work someday,
>even though he was already planning to become a powerful dark wizard and 
>go on to bigger and "better"
>things.  And as he was brilliant, ambitious, and the creator of the diary 
>himself, I don't think
>Real!Riddle would ever doubt that he would have the ability to control 
>Diary!Riddle should they ever meet.

I agree.  I'm sure it was also a failsafe type thing.  If something 
happened to him later, he could come back through his memory.  This is part 
of why I think Lucius knew exactly what the diary was for and how it 
worked.  I keep thinking that Lucius was helping Voldemort come back into 
power.  I don't think that he was trying to power for himself.  He had to 
know what was in that diary, which means he wouldn't try to take power by 
using an old version of Voldemort.  Maybe part of the reason that he chose 
this year to do this is that the Ministry chose this year to do raids and 
he was afraid of being caught with too many things he shouldn't have before 
he had a chance to use them.  This, of course, begs the question of why he 
hadn't done it before.  He had 12 years.  Why wait all that time?