Voices from the past (Re: [HPforGrownups] Snape and the Potters)

[Indigo]

No: HPFGUIDX 47168

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Carol Bainbridge <kaityf at j...> wrote:
> Iris wrote:
> 
> >I've been following the debate about the man's voice Harry hears 
while 
> >he's learning how to conjure the Patronus Charm. According to 
Carol, it's 
> >Severus's voice, not James's. That's an interesting possibility, 
and I 
> >respect it. However, I think  that the explanation is more simple, 
and 
> >that Lupin's reaction to what Harry says is connected to the 
psychological 
> >context of PoA rather than to the attack on Godric's Hollow.
> 
> I would like to clarify something here.  I originally wrote a 
message 
> (#47054) about Snape and the Potters and the missing 24 hours, 
suggesting 
> that Snape and Lucius may have been present when Lilly was killed.  
It was 
> based on idle thoughts about Harry's dream after the sorting 
ceremony in 
> SS/PS.  (That it is actually a memory, not just a dream.)  
Melpomene 
> responded that Snape might very well have been present and added 
that for a 
> variety of reasons, the voice Harry hears couldn't be that of 
James.  In 
> response to that, I said my first inclination *IF THE VOICE WAS NOT 
JAMES'* 
> would be to say it was Snape's and then I laid out a couple of 
> possibilities, but they weren't very convincing to me, which is why 
I added 
> the question about just whose voice it was.  I don't know.  I don't 
make 
> any claims about that!  My original theory doesn't even require 
James not 
> to be there!  As far as my theory goes, it could very well be 
James' voice 
> Harry hears!
> 
> I did ask for bugs in my theory.  Maybe the voice is one of them.

Okay.  

I don't know if I'm spotting Skeeters or not, but after reading 
#47054 and this, I have some questions:

1)  If Lucius and Snape were with the Big V, why did they not assist 
him when his green light dark magic curse backfired and took his 
body?  Surely they didn't think he was entirely annihilated if they 
were standing there to see him reduced to a bodiless specter. 

2)  So far, if memory serves, Harry's dreams have been prophetic, and 
his memories have mostly been dredged up while he's awake.  Except 
for the green light dream in PS/SS.   The Turban telling him 
Slytherin was, IMO, a warning that Vapormort was in said Turban.

3)  How did Lucius and Severus and Voldemort arrive if they did not 
leave the same way after Vapormort got poofted?  Wouldn't Sirius, who 
turned up on the motorbike,  have seen them departing since he only 
found the rubble, the Potters, and little Harry as or just before 
Hagrid showed up? 

4) We know from priori incantatem that Lily and James were together 
and were killed one right after the other [even if there's some 
question as to the order. They died within minutes or seconds of each 
other].   If Snape was still undercover as a DE, he could not have 
been the person saying, "Run, Lily, I'll try to hold him off!"  could 
he, without blowing his cover to Lucius Malfoy.  If he were alone, 
though, I could see it, because he owed James Potter his life, and  
had to act in accord with that.  But if he'd acted to save Lily, why 
did Voldemort not punish him for thwarting "his master", continuing 
on to and through Lily for Harry?

That's all the questions I have for the moment. Thanks for making me 
think!

--Indigo



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