End of the Harry Potter Series/SHIP

abigailnus abigailnus at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 2 08:51:23 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 44789

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
> Dumbledore believes that somewhere inside Harry, some bit of 
> Voldemort lurks. We know that Voldemort can be regenerated 
> from the merest scrap of existence, "less than spirit, less than 
> the meanest ghost."  We've also  seen many times that Harry 
> would rather face death than be parted from the magical world. 
> That makes me think that separation, not martyrdom, will be the 
> sacrifice which is the price of Voldemort's defeat.

Hmm.  This is kind of similar to something I suggested a few months 
ago in a thread about the Imperius curse.  Elkins was wondering if the 
spellcaster's strengh (of will or of magical ability) affected the ease 
with which one could escape from their Imperius, and whether the 
reason that Crouch Jr. managed to escape his father's Imperius had 
to do with the fact that Voldemort was getting stronger and feeding 
him strengh.  I suggested:

>Let's accept that Crouch Jr.'s ability to throw off his father's Imperius 
is really due to Voldemort's growing strengh and his return to a physical 
body (and I think this makes a lot of sense, especially since the Dark Mark 
also returns as LV grows stronger.) We know another character, who is 
not a DE, who has drawn qualities from the Dark Lord before.

That person is Harry.

Dumbledore clearly states in CoS that attributes of Voldemort's attached 
themselves to Harry when the Avada Kedavra failed. What if a similar 
connection to the one that has been suggested between Voldemort and 
the DEs now exists between Voldemort and Harry? It explains why Harry 
is able to throw off a relatively benevolent suggestion in class by Crouch Jr., 
and later, when Voldemort himself Imperiuses him, it's actually Voldemort's 
strengh (either magical strengh or strengh of will, I think a good case can 
be made for either of these, or both, affecting the quality of a wizard's 
Imperius) fighting itself, which is why Harry manages to throw the Imperius 
off - all he needs is to tip the scales a bit.

This suggests that at the final confrontation, Harry may find himself 
having to destroy a part of himself in order to destroy Voldemort. >

Now, at the time I was thinking of why Harry is such a powerful wizard 
(able to conjure up a Patronus at the age of 13), and I believe I had just 
read about 12 posts suggesting that Harry is The Great All-Powerful 
Wizard, The Most Powerfull Wizard Ever, and The One.  I really hate that 
idea, so my line of thinking was "OK, you want Harry to be really powerful
 - how about if his power stems from Voldemort?"  There didn't seem to 
be many takers at the time (if you're interested in reading the entire post, 
it's #40510).  So at the time I was considering the possibility that Harry 
would have to give up his incredible strengh as a wizard in order to defeat 
Voldemort.  Obviously I was being a softie.  I agree that if this situation 
ever comes up, the only satisfying solution will be for Harry to give up his 
powers completely.  

Reading through the "it was all a dream" posts made me think of 
something else.  I really don't think that making the entire series a dream 
would be satisfying for the readers, but wouldn't it make an interesting 
weapon?  What if Voldemort tries to convince Harry that his years in 
Hogwarts have been a dream in order to confuse him or pump him for 
information?  I realise that this is hardly original - off the top of my head I 
can think of two TV shows (Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Deep Space 
Nine) and one book (Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman) where this trick has 
been used, and I'm sure there are many more.  However, JKR doesn't tend 
to be original with the ideas she uses, just in the way she uses them, and 
I believe she could use the "it was all a dream" trick to great effect.

Abigail






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