Lucius Factor (was Snape and Quirrellmort/MAGIC DISHWASHER)

[frankielee242]

No: HPFGUIDX 45245

Grey Wolf wrote:
> I hadn't actually considered that fact before, but it helps explain 
> something that has been in my mind for a few days now. MAGIC DISHWASHER 
> is based on an information war, which in turn requires spies. Now, in 
> PS, Voldemort was going solo most of the time, and if he did contact 
> Lucius to put in motion the Diary idea, I think it would have been 
> later on, from Hogwarts (after testing the defenses of the stone). 
> There is really no room for a spy that could've tipped off Dumbledore 
> about Voldemort's return and plans. 


The idea that Voldemort somehow contacted Lucius and told him put the
whole CoS diary fiasco in motion bothers me.

Here's why. Grey Wolf, please don't bite me just yet. 

Lucius uses the attacks at Hogwarts to remove Dumbledore (temporarily
as it turned out) from the school. In the confrontation in Hagrid's
hut, Lucius Malfoy over-rides the Minister of Magic and insists that
Dumbledore step down. Fudge blusters, but does what Lucius says.

Once Dumbledor has left, we hear Draco smarming up to Professor Snape
by suggesting that Snape take over as Headmaster. Later, Draco says
McGonagall won't last long as the head of the school. While our
bouncing ferret boy may not know who is opening the chamber of
secrets, he probably knows Lucius has plans for changing the way
Hogwarts is run.

At the end when Lucius bursts into Dumbledore's study and attempts to
bully him back out of Hogwarts (supported by the legal documents to
prove Dumbledore was suspended by all twelve governers), Dumbledore
shuts him up by saying he has letters from the other governers asking
him to return (that give legal testimony they had been coerced into
complying with Lucius in the first place). THEN, Dumbledore says of
the MoM that "...for a start, Arthur Weasley's Muggle Protection Act
would have failed... " (I think that's right, my books are at home)
which would imply more MoM policies than just the Muggle Protection
Act were on the chopping block. I appologize if I've botched the quote.

To me, this indicates that Lucius is entrenched and rather powerful in
the MoM, and is looking to take over Hogwarts as well. He's obivously
in good standing with the Minister-- think of Fudge's incredulous
reaction to Harry's assertion that Lucius Malfoy was present at Lord
Voldemort's ressurection at the end of GoF.

Also, think of the events at the Quidditch World Cup in GoF. First we
see the Malfoys attending as Fudge's guests in the top box. That
night, Draco admits (in not so many words) that his parents are in the
crowd of DEs levitating the muggle family THAT ALL DISAPPARATE when
Barty Crouch fires the dark mark into the sky.

To me, that says Lucius is perfectly happy about Lord Voldemort's
absence and is busy advancing his own agendas, NOT Lord Voldemort's. 

Plus, in the graveyard scene in GoF, Lord Voldemort accuses all
assembled DEs of abandoning him and of running from his mark when a
faithful DE cast it into the sky at the QWC, Lucius included. I think
he may even be speaking directly to Lucius when he makes the
accusation about the QWC, and I'll check GoF when I get home.

I agree with the many other HPfGU posts that assert Lucius's ambition
may contribute to Lord Voldemort's downfall, but I would like to point
out again that the WW is not entirely opposed to Lord Voldemort's
ideals. At the QWC, the ministry officials have to fight through a
crowd around the marching DEs. That crowd is pointing up at the
muggles and laughing, not trying to rescue them.


Later Grey Wolf wrote:
> Besides, I, like Pip, don't understand what's so wrong with being the 
> "pawn". It's the pawn that, in the end, becomes the hero, *even in 
> chess*. The pawn is one of the most important pieces, because it is 
> useful both at the very begining and at the very end of a chess match: 
> if a pawn reaches the other side, he bacomes a queen, the most powerful 
> piece in the game. And I think (outside any theories, and indulging in 
> meta-thinking) that the same thing will happen to Harry: in the end, he 
> will be the "queen" of Dumbledore's side, and it will be thanks to 
> *his* powers that they will win. I don't see what's wrong with that.

I agree. Especially if the war against Lord Voldemort is a covert one.
I wonder if the "pawn reaching the other side of the chessboard to
become a queen" will also happen to Ron and/or Hermione. Despite the
chess match in PS/SS, I don't think Ron is going to be killed off--
doesn't JKR reassure fans that Ron will be okay in a couple of interviews?


Please tell me the week is over and that I can go home now.

One Frazzled Frankie