spies/Auror!Arthur-Missing Weasley/Sirius+Sev/Triwizard/TeddySpider/Pop!Corn
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)
catlady at wicca.net
Sun Oct 20 05:51:57 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 45587
Pippin wrote:
<< Harry is being taught to *hate* spies: Snape, Myrtle, Pettigrew,
Mrs. Norris. >>
That seems like a poor plan when Harry may have to depend on
information supplied by spies in the future. Or when Harry surely
will have to depend on Snape in the future.w
Cindy wrote:
<< [Arthur] knows Winky wouldn't know how to conjure [the Dark Mark]
(although this seems to escape Amos Diggory) >>
That conversation has ALWAYS read to me like Arthur and Amos playing
"Good Cop, Bad Cop" with the witness. It gives me the impression that
Arthur and Amos used to work as partners in some investigative or law
enforcement job, and simply fell into their old habit of how to
interrogate. Just because the roles are in accordance with their
personalities (Good Cop Arthur always speaks gently and tries to be
diplomatic, while Bad Cop Amos speaks abrasively and tries to act
dominant) doesn't mean that everything they say is sincere. Accusing
the witness of having done dreadful things leading to dreadful
punishments, even tho' everyone knows perfectly well that the witness
did no such thing, seems to me to be a typical Bad Cop technique for
frightening the witness into telling everything heesh can.
IIRC last time I posted this idea, someone offered up hiser idea that
Arthur (and presumably Amos) had been Aurors during the Reign of
Terror. When the Voldemort Crisis was over, the Ministry felt a need
to downsize its force of Aurors. Some could be given (early)
retirement, like Moody, but Arthur and Amos were too young to be
retired and too recently heroic to be laid-off, so they were
transferred to whatever jobs were open: Muggle Artifacts for Arthur,
Control of Magical Creatures for Amos.
Risti wrote:
<< He also defends Hermione's point about the treatment of House
Elves. >>
I am sure that Arthur's kind heart would be sickened by the Malfoy's
cruel abuse of their House Elf, but I strongly suspect that his
verbal agreement with Hermione was only diplomatic, i.e. to shut her
up to avoid getting distracted from the important conversation. By
the way, I do like the way your theory accounts for all three of
Arthur's demotion, his emnity to Lucius, AND his poverty.
Abigail wrote:
<< "If Arthur was an Auror, what was he doing bringing his young son
to work with him?" Demands Cindy. >>
He brought his son into the office, not into the field, presumably on
a paperwork day. *** Probably contrary to the original plan of Take
Your Daughter to Work Day, bus operators at my company don't have
their young daughters ride along on their runs on April 26, instead
the daughters come to an organized group event including a chaperoned
tour of the bus barns and maintenance shop.
Robert Gonzalez wrote:
<< Usually though, it's the 7th son of a 7th son and though we havn't
heard anything about Ron's extended family you'd think 6 uncles would
be hard to avoid mentioning. (Unless they were all dead!) >>
If Arthur had six brothers and some sisters, but they had all been
killed, that would account for Malfoy's statement that "all the
Weasleys" have red hair, more children than they can afford, and no
money. If Arthur was the first Weasley to have a big family, where
does "all the Weasleys" come from?
Dave Hardenbrook wrote:
<< Ooooo! Good point! But if the alphabetical thing is valid, why
does it break down with Ron and Ginny? >>
While I think "Daisy" is a more Weasley-like D name for a daughter
than "Demeter", the argument is that Arthur and Molly stopped the
alphabetical naming when D was killed, which was just about when the
twins were being born. Thus, Ron and Ginny are not part of the
alphabetic system. They stopped the alphabetic system because it was
a constant reminder of their late child ... altho' one would have
thought that they would have renamed Fred and George as well as E.
Percy.
Barb wrote:
<< Bill's name is most likely William. >>
While I admit that the alphabet theory is weak, I insist that there
is strong evidence that Bill could be named Bilius. It is attested in
canon as a name of a wizard, in fact the name of an uncle of Bill's
(as Ron's uncle would also be Bill's uncle). We don't know much about
this Uncle Bilius, not even which side he was on nor whether he was
uncle by birth or marriage, but we do know that he's dead (after
seeing a Grim). If he had died before Bill was born (we don't know
WHEN he died), it would make sense to name the oldest son after the
deceased brother of the parent. (Yay, Rebecca!)
Cindy wrote:
<< Any parent who has suffered the death of a child for any reason
is *devastated.* (snip) Yet look at Arthur's discussion of the Dark
Mark: 'Mr. Weasley winced.' That's it. >>
Except these wizards are Tough, a bunch of Ancient Romans. "Non dolet,
Paule."
atrocity.geo wrote:
<< " ... why Sirius hates Severus, nothing big..." and mom's response
was..."Oh, are they brothers? Those sound like a pair of names from
one family rather than 2 seperate names..." >>
On one tentacle, they aren't names from the same family IF that
family has a tradition of naming all its sons after astronomical
objects or Roman emperors. On another tentacle, from time to time
people remark on how the canonical descriptions of Sirius and Severus
resemble each other: the only stated differences are that Snape is
greasy, has a bigger and more bent aquiline nose, and *no* laughter
in his eyes. They often go on to suggest that the two men are
brothers or cousins. To me, the canonical descriptions are so sparse,
so filled in with our own imaginations, that resemblances cannot be a
clue to kinship.
Porphyria:
<< really loves the "Snape is Sirius' illegitimate half-brother"
theory, even if it is a bit soap-opera-ish. >>
No, No, *Sirius* is *Snape*'s illegitimate ... half-brother? Maybe
first cousin, maybe nephew (via an older sibling) ...
Hickengruendler wrote:
<< If really everybody were aware, that Harry and Cedric were
portkeyed away, that means, they must have seen the champions during
the maze. Then why nobody cared, when Moody attacked Fleur or put the
imperizus curse on Krum? Or when Krum put "Cruciatus" an Cedric? >>
This is a forbidden "I agree" post. I had been going to say the same
thing, but in a more verbose and less clear way, until I read your
post.
Ing wrote:
<< The champion who came first in the 3rd Task wouldn't necessarily
have won the Tournament would they? If so, why bother with the first
2 tasks? But then, if Fleur had no chance why was she still competing?
>>
The one who came in first in the Third Task won the Tournament. They
bothered with the first two Tasks because the score in those Tasks
controlled how much headstart the contestant got in the Third Task.
Melody wrote:
<< (Though I think it would of been amusing if just Cedric grabbed
the cup, and when he portkeyed to the graveyard, a disappointed
Voldemort commanded Pettigrew to take him back and grab Potter and
returned to the graveyard leaving Cedric dazed and confused. But that
is my musing and would probably loosen the tension of the scene
sequence a bit. Anyway...) >>
Then Voldemort *might* have been reasonable enough to use Cedric's
blood for his re-embodiment spell. If Voldemort had settled for
Cedric then, or had ever been persuaded by Wormtail's argument that
any wizard (except a Death Eater) would do, then all the alleged
efforts to set up a situation in which the servant whose flesh he
used had a life-debt to the enemy whose blood he used would have been
for naught.
Richelle:
<< We learn it was Fred who as a child turned Ron's teddy bear into a
spider. Bad Fred, Bad! >>
I've always thought that was Involuntary Magic, like Harry turning
his teacher's wig blue.
Fyre Wood wrote:
<< "Grandpa Bob's Extra Popper Popcorn" or "Butter Blast--the Popcorn
that has an *explosive* butter taste in your mouth." >>
Apparently the wizarding world's sense of amusement is generally
pretty rough, like Exploding Snap. So wizarding Pop!Corn would have
to !Pop in some pretty rough way, like after you swallowed it, or
maybe it makes you !Pop! explode like Mr. Creosote. (That OT
reference is just an attempt to test my Tim's theory that only old
farts like us will remember who was Mr. Creosote.)
(bboy_mn Steve, I read your suggestion but to me it is insufficiently
violent.)
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