spies/Auror!Arthur-Missing Weasley/Sirius+Sev/Triwizard/TeddySpider/Pop!Corn

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at wicca.net
Sun Oct 20 05:51:57 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 45587

Pippin wrote:

<<  Harry is being taught to *hate* spies: Snape, Myrtle, Pettigrew, 
Mrs. Norris. >>

That seems like a poor plan when Harry may have to depend on 
information supplied by spies in the future. Or when Harry surely 
will have to depend on Snape in the future.w

Cindy wrote:

<< [Arthur] knows Winky wouldn't know how to conjure [the Dark Mark] 
(although this seems to escape Amos Diggory) >>

That conversation has ALWAYS read to me like Arthur and Amos playing 
"Good Cop, Bad Cop" with the witness. It gives me the impression that 
Arthur and Amos used to work as partners in some investigative or law 
enforcement job, and simply fell into their old habit of how to 
interrogate. Just because the roles are in accordance with their 
personalities (Good Cop Arthur always speaks gently and tries to be 
diplomatic, while Bad Cop Amos speaks abrasively and tries to act 
dominant) doesn't mean that everything they say is sincere. Accusing 
the witness of having done dreadful things leading to dreadful 
punishments, even tho' everyone knows perfectly well that the witness 
did no such thing, seems to me to be a typical Bad Cop technique for 
frightening the witness into telling everything heesh can.

IIRC last time I posted this idea, someone offered up hiser idea that 
Arthur (and presumably Amos) had been Aurors during the Reign of 
Terror. When the Voldemort Crisis was over, the Ministry felt a need 
to downsize its force of Aurors. Some could be given (early) 
retirement, like Moody, but Arthur and Amos were too young to be 
retired and too recently heroic to be laid-off, so they were 
transferred to whatever jobs were open: Muggle Artifacts for Arthur,  
Control of Magical Creatures for Amos.

Risti wrote:

<< He also defends Hermione's point about the treatment of House 
Elves. >>

I am sure that Arthur's kind heart would be sickened by the Malfoy's 
cruel abuse of their House Elf, but I strongly suspect that his 
verbal agreement with Hermione was only diplomatic, i.e. to shut her 
up to avoid getting distracted from the important conversation. By 
the way, I do like the way your theory accounts for all three of 
Arthur's demotion, his emnity to Lucius, AND his poverty.

Abigail wrote:

<< "If Arthur was an Auror, what was he doing bringing his young son 
to work with him?" Demands Cindy. >>

He brought his son into the office, not into the field, presumably on 
a paperwork day. *** Probably contrary to the original plan of Take 
Your Daughter to Work Day, bus operators at my company don't have 
their young daughters ride along on their runs on April 26, instead 
the daughters come to an organized group event including a chaperoned 
tour of the bus barns and maintenance shop.

Robert Gonzalez wrote:

<< Usually though, it's the 7th son of a 7th son and though we havn't 
heard anything about Ron's extended family you'd think 6 uncles would 
be hard to avoid mentioning. (Unless they were all dead!) >>

If Arthur had six brothers and some sisters, but they had all been 
killed, that would account for Malfoy's statement that "all the 
Weasleys" have red hair, more children than they can afford, and no 
money. If Arthur was the first Weasley to have a big family, where 
does "all the Weasleys" come from?

Dave Hardenbrook wrote:

<< Ooooo! Good point! But if the alphabetical thing is valid, why 
does it break down with Ron and Ginny? >>

While I think "Daisy" is a more Weasley-like D name for a daughter 
than "Demeter", the argument is that Arthur and Molly stopped the 
alphabetical naming when D was killed, which was just about when the 
twins were being born. Thus, Ron and Ginny are not part of the 
alphabetic system. They stopped the alphabetic system because it was 
a constant reminder of their late child ... altho' one would have 
thought that they would have renamed Fred and George as well as E. 
Percy.

Barb wrote:

<< Bill's name is most likely William. >>

While I admit that the alphabet theory is weak, I insist that there 
is strong evidence that Bill could be named Bilius. It is attested in 
canon as a name of a wizard, in fact the name of an uncle of Bill's 
(as Ron's uncle would also be Bill's uncle). We don't know much about 
this Uncle Bilius, not even which side he was on nor whether he was 
uncle by birth or marriage, but we do know that he's dead (after 
seeing a Grim). If he had died before Bill was born (we don't know 
WHEN he died), it would make sense to name the oldest son after the 
deceased brother of the parent. (Yay, Rebecca!)

Cindy wrote:

<< Any parent who has suffered the death of a child for any reason 
is *devastated.* (snip) Yet look at Arthur's discussion of the Dark 
Mark: 'Mr. Weasley winced.' That's it. >>

Except these wizards are Tough, a bunch of Ancient Romans. "Non dolet, 
Paule."

atrocity.geo wrote:

<< " ... why Sirius hates Severus, nothing big..." and mom's response 
was..."Oh, are they brothers? Those sound like a pair of names from 
one family rather than 2 seperate names..." >>

On one tentacle, they aren't names from the same family IF that 
family has a tradition of naming all its sons after astronomical 
objects or Roman emperors. On another tentacle, from time to time 
people remark on how the canonical descriptions of Sirius and Severus 
resemble each other: the only stated differences are that Snape is 
greasy, has a bigger and more bent aquiline nose, and *no* laughter 
in his eyes. They often go on to suggest that the two men are 
brothers or cousins. To me, the canonical descriptions are so sparse, 
so filled in with our own imaginations, that resemblances cannot be a 
clue to kinship.

Porphyria:

<< really loves the "Snape is Sirius' illegitimate half-brother" 
theory, even if it is a bit soap-opera-ish. >>

No, No, *Sirius* is *Snape*'s illegitimate ... half-brother? Maybe 
first cousin, maybe nephew (via an older sibling) ...

Hickengruendler wrote:

<< If really everybody were aware, that Harry and Cedric were 
portkeyed away, that means, they must have seen the champions during 
the maze. Then why nobody cared, when Moody attacked Fleur or put the 
imperizus curse on Krum? Or when Krum put "Cruciatus" an Cedric? >>

This is a forbidden "I agree" post. I had been going to say the same 
thing, but in a more verbose and less clear way, until I read your 
post. 

Ing wrote:

<< The champion who came first in the 3rd Task wouldn't necessarily 
have won the Tournament would they? If so, why bother with the first 
2 tasks? But then, if Fleur had no chance why was she still competing? 
>>

The one who came in first in the Third Task won the Tournament. They 
bothered with the first two Tasks because the score in those Tasks 
controlled how much headstart the contestant got in the Third Task.

Melody wrote:

<< (Though I think it would of been amusing if just Cedric grabbed 
the cup, and when he portkeyed to the graveyard, a disappointed 
Voldemort commanded Pettigrew to take him back and grab Potter and 
returned to the graveyard leaving Cedric dazed and confused. But that 
is my musing and would probably loosen the tension of the scene 
sequence a bit. Anyway...) >>

Then Voldemort *might* have been reasonable enough to use Cedric's 
blood for his re-embodiment spell. If Voldemort had settled for 
Cedric then, or had ever been persuaded by Wormtail's argument that 
any wizard (except a Death Eater) would do, then all the alleged 
efforts to set up a situation in which the servant whose flesh he 
used had a life-debt to the enemy whose blood he used would have been 
for naught.

Richelle:

<< We learn it was Fred who as a child turned Ron's teddy bear into a 
spider. Bad Fred, Bad! >>

I've always thought that was Involuntary Magic, like Harry turning 
his teacher's wig blue.

Fyre Wood wrote:

<< "Grandpa Bob's Extra Popper Popcorn" or "Butter Blast--the Popcorn 
that has an *explosive* butter taste in your mouth." >>

Apparently the wizarding world's sense of amusement is generally 
pretty rough, like Exploding Snap. So wizarding Pop!Corn would have 
to !Pop in some pretty rough way, like after you swallowed it, or 
maybe it makes you !Pop! explode like Mr. Creosote. (That OT 
reference is just an attempt to test my Tim's theory that only old 
farts like us will remember who was Mr. Creosote.)

(bboy_mn Steve, I read your suggestion but to me it is insufficiently 
violent.)






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