Why the Order of the Phoenix?

[m.bockermann at t-online.de]

No: HPFGUIDX 45603

Hi Rich!


Rich wrote:
>>>Now to outline my theory quickly...
As has happened in history, and in many a book, I believe that
Dumbledore will create a rebel government... This (to me) seems to be
the exact way that he (and the Hogwarts faculty) are headed at the end
of GoF, with their almost open disdain for Fudge and the MoM...
As above, I believe that the Order of the Phoenix will be the name for
this rebellion, which will eventually usurp the actual government.
Reasoning behind this is that the Ministry is coming to the end of its
usefulness, evidenced by Fudge's complete inability to see or believe
the obvious, that Voldemort is back. Dumbledore and co. will take it
upon themselves to fix the whole problem, which will eventually lead
to the Order of the Phoenix.
IMO I expect the series to progress in a similar fashion to the Star
Wars: New Jedi Order series of books, in which (speaking as vaguely as
possible) an invasion occurs and the government completely igores and
underestimates the threat, and eventually collapses. The NJO is a good
read if you're at all interested in Star Wars, by the way :)


I *really* like your theory, most of it. I feel that it fits in better than
a connection to Fawkes or as the name of defenders during Voldemort's first
reign. Between Aurors and Unspeakables I feel that another defending
organisation of wizardes and witches back then would be a kind of overkill.

As further support of the Order of the Phoenix Rebells I'd like to bring
attention that in GoF warned Fudge Dumbledore that he would loose his
position if he claimed such nonsense as Voldemort's return. That is the same
Fudge that has already suspended Dumbledore once and who is always - and
very unfavourably - compared to Dumbledore. So I think it very likely that,
encouraged by Malfoy and his buddies, Fudge will actually pull that through
and suspend him, either at the beginning of book 5 or at the end (giving us
a nasty cliffhanger) if Dumbledore can sooth him a bit more. Put the kind of
preparations Dumbledore starts at the end of GoF really reminds me of
someone preparing for a retreat. A strategical retreat, not a flight. IIRC,
JKR said in her last interview that it was indeed Mrs. Figg who would be the
next DADA teacher. If she really guarded Harry all these years, she could
continue to do so while Dumbledore was away from Hogwarts.

In any case, the relationship between Fudge and Dumbledore at the end of GoF
is such, that Dumbledore indeed believes that it is necessary to form a
group that will try to do the right thing, since the government will *not*
do that. The only point you make that I don't agree with is that
Dumbledore's group will usurp the government, because: 1) it doesn't fit
with Dumbledore. If he was the power guy, he'd have aimed for the ministry
post long ago. 2) because of the name: Order of the *Phoenix*. The Phoenix
is a bird that, after it's death, rises from the ashes. I take it to mean
that Dumbledore won't take the government from Fudge. The later will ruin it
by himself (possibly meeting a similiar fate as Borleias over in Star Wars
NJO) and the Order of the Phoenix will be the gang that tries to defeat
Voldemort from the rubble Fugde's and his ally's passing will leave behind.

Greetings,
Ethanol