Neville

[malady579]

No: HPFGUIDX 43688

Richelle wrote:

>> Next topic, I really don't think Neville's under an imperious
curse.  It just doesn't figure.  How would one transfer control of an
Imperious?  Especially while the one who supposedly put the curse on
is having his soul sucked out. <<

Me:
Good point.  What would happen if someone was under the imperious
curse and someone else also imperious cursed the same person without
knowledge that they were already under the curse with another wizard?
 I would think it would not be possible.  One thing is for sure
though.  If Neville has always been under imperious curse, then he
definately is not fighting it.


Richelle also wrote:
>>Anyway, that said, since Crouch Jr. was one of the four on trial for
the torture of Frank Longbottom, he obviously knew that Neville knew
about the Cruciatus curse.  Yet he calls on Neville to give the name
of an unforgivable, and then performs it right there in front of him,
albeit on a spider.  Doesn't that constitute emotional abuse? <<

Me:
I never drew that parallel before.  For some reason that completely
spooks me now to see Moody/Crouch who tortured Neville's parents to
the point of insanity acting so cooly infront of the class and to
Neville.  I always glazed over reading that section and never saw the
full impact.

Watching the spider curses probably are emotional abuse on the
children but I think it is address in the chapter at the end with
Moody/Crouch's kind words to Neville and Potter.  I wonder if those
kind words are Crouch's or Crouch's view of what Moody would do?
Wherer is that line?  I really like CrouchJr.'s character so this
puzzles me.  What if CrouchJr. followed with Voldemort to the Potters
that night and was there at the murders.  That would make the scene
even more leathal.  The very man that brought the downfall of these
two young boys lives was teaching them now the curses he used and then
comforting them afterwards.  It is possible.  Sorry I am really tired
and my mind wanders.


Richelle then writes:
>>Now, I know we thought that was Moody.  But Moody was at the trial,
right?  Or am I getting my trials mixed up?  Regardless of whether he
was or not, as a fellow auror I'm sure he knew all the details. And
Dumbledore is okay with this?!  <<

It really abused both Harry and Neville really, but I think Dumbledore
and Moody/Crouch thought it would help toughen them up a little by
showing them what they already know exists.  Childhood memories are
often worse than the real deal, though I can not imagine torture and
death getting worse.  It is like everyone not saying Voldemort's name.
 All it does is promote fear and nothing else.  If they started saying
his name, they would have to address the fear and start building
courage against it.  Same with the curses here.  By showing the curses
to the kids (teenagers), they now know what is so bad and what to
expect.  Helps in reduce the anxiety.

Melody
"A little nonsense now and then is relish by the wisest man."