[HPforGrownups] Re: AK/ Cruciatus on Spiders

[Richelle Votaw]

No: HPFGUIDX 43759




> In a message dated 07/09/2002 16:14:51 GMT Standard Time,
midgiecat at aol.com
> writes:
> > Readers keep forgetting that this isn't Moody teaching the class, but
Barty
> > Crouch, Jr.  LV's most faithful servant.   He wants Harry to find out
just
> > this way about the curse used to kill his parents.  I think he delighted
in
> > seeing Harry draw the conclusion - thrilled that he was able to watch as
> > that hated Harry Potter imagined how his parents died.  Crouch, Jr. is
posing as
> >
> > Moody but has feelings of Crouch and is probably sick of having to be
> > somewhat "nice" to all these students, especially Harry.

I think I got so carried away in getting angry at Crouch/Moody that I forgot
to make my point.  Oops.  My point being, that what Crouch/Moody did was so
very horrible and evil that it could not possibly have been approved by
Dumbledore.  Dumbledore may have let him teach the lesson still, but he'd
probably have either called in Neville and Harry individually before hand to
prepare them or had them out of the class alltogether.  So I'm saying
basically, that Dumbledore did not know what Moody/Crouch was doing in that
class.  It's also possible that Moody/Crouch had permission to teach about
the unforgiveables, but maybe not specifying what years' classes would be
taught that.  Perhaps it was supposed to be 5th years up or something.  Now
does it make sense?

Eloise writes:

> Yes. Crouch the DE had real motive for being cruel to Harry. He had to
> protect Harry and guide him through the tasks, although he was his
master's
> enemy and agent of his downfall. He was preserving him for Voldemort to
deal
> with and it must have been ever so tempting to have a go at him himself.
This
> was a way he could do it without 'harming' him.

Here's another issue I have, how did Crouch, who was only a teenager at the
time, end up a DE?  I suppose he could've been 18, which would've put him
out of school, but he sure didn't waste any time going bad.

> He had an even more personal motive for being cruel to Neville as it was
for
> Crucio'ing Neville's parents that he was sent to Azkaban.
>
> He knew *exactly* what he was doing, showing those curses to those two
boys.
> And then he demonstrates his 'concern' for them.
> The sadist!

It is, as you said, almost a shame the dementors got Crouch Jr.  He was such
a perfect bad guy.  Cruel and heartless to the core.  No visible conscious,
yet he could put on an act.  Boy could he put on an act!

Richelle

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