Harry-Hermione Life Debts/ Insults to Harry's parents

[doffy99]

No: HPFGUIDX 44329

Richelle Votaw wrote:
> Jeff writes:
> 
> > This also brings into question of Harry Saving Ginny. He did NOT
> > fight Tom Riddle to save Ginny. He fought and defeated Riddle 
because
> > his(Harry's) own life was in mortal danger. If he had not killed 
the
> > Basilisk and Riddle, he would have died right along side Ginny.
> > Hermione did not Save H&R from the plant, she saved herself and
> > thereby them in the process. WOuld this count??

Richelle Votaw wrote:

> I still think that Ginny has a life debt to Harry.  If it hadn't 
been for
> Harry and Ron trying to save Ginny, they would never have entered 
the
> chamber, and Harry wouldn't have had to fight Riddle and the 
Basilisk.  He
> could've done a much better job of saving himself by staying away 
with
> everyone else.  But as the chamber opened Harry said:
> 
> "I'm going down there."  He couldn't not go, not now they had found 
the
> entrance to the Chamber, not if there was even the faintest, 
slimmest,
> wildest chance that Ginny might be alive.
> 
> So if it hadn't been for Ginny, Harry'd never have been in a 
position to
> fight the Basilisk.  Ginny's life debt isn't a result of the 
Basilisk, but
> of Harry going into the chamber in the first place.

Me Now:

Okay, I'll give on this one. :)

Richelle Votaw wrote:

> I may be reading this part wrong, so please help me figure it out.  
Why
> exactly does Snape have the life debt to James?  My thoughts are 
that James
> would never have entered the passage that night if he weren't 
trying to save
> Snape.

me NOW:

Snape has a debt to James because James pulled him out of the tunnel 
beneath the whomping willow when there was a full grown Werewolf in 
the shrieking shack at the end of that tunnel. If James had NOT gone 
after Snape,(Granted, it was Sirius' fault Snape was there in the 
first place.) Snape would have died at the hands of the Lupin 
Werewolf. 

You're right, James wouldn't have gone down there if not to save 
Snape. That's what I was trying to say. James had NOTHING to gain by 
saving Snape. James' life was in no danger. James could easily have 
let Snape continue and allowed Snape to die. It would have had very 
little effect on James directly. He would have lost one, possibly two 
of his best friends to either expulsion or Azkaban, but James was in 
no danger. 

I think, and it's just an opinion, not based on canon, but more what 
isn't written in canon. Nothing is ever said of these "Life Debts" 
between Harry, Ron and Hermione. Nothing is ever said of the debt 
between Harry and Ginny. Nothing is ever said of the number of times 
that Harry has been saved by others in one way or another.  The only 
times it's mentioned in Canon is with James/Sirius and 
Harry/Pettigrew. This is what makes me think that there has to be 
some NOBILITY to the act. James was not trying to save himself when 
he saved Snape. Harry was not trying to save himself when he saved 
Wormtail. And, in the case mentioned above, Harry had nothing to gain 
by going into the Chamber after Ginny. 

An afterthought, It strikes me odd that James and Harry have this 
connection. 
If James had not saved Snape, Sirius and Lupin would have been 
expelled, possibly imprisoned, for their prank.
If Harry had not intervened on the part of Pettigrew, again, Sirius 
and Lupin would have faced Azkaban for the murder of Peter Pettigrew. 
My feeling is, from his behavior in GOF, that Fudge would never have 
beleived the story and would have brought both Sirius and Lupin up on 
charges, thrown them in Azkaban and thrown away the key. 
Father and son ended up saving, in some way, the same two people and 
put someone, an enemy in both cases, in their debt. Is it just me?? 

-Jeff