[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry-Hermione Life Debts/ Insults to Harry's parents

[Richelle Votaw]

No: HPFGUIDX 44316

Jeff writes:

> This also brings into question of Harry Saving Ginny. He did NOT
> fight Tom Riddle to save Ginny. He fought and defeated Riddle because
> his(Harry's) own life was in mortal danger. If he had not killed the
> Basilisk and Riddle, he would have died right along side Ginny.
> Hermione did not Save H&R from the plant, she saved herself and
> thereby them in the process. WOuld this count??

I still think that Ginny has a life debt to Harry.  If it hadn't been for
Harry and Ron trying to save Ginny, they would never have entered the
chamber, and Harry wouldn't have had to fight Riddle and the Basilisk.  He
could've done a much better job of saving himself by staying away with
everyone else.  But as the chamber opened Harry said:

"I'm going down there."  He couldn't not go, not now they had found the
entrance to the Chamber, not if there was even the faintest, slimmest,
wildest chance that Ginny might be alive.

So if it hadn't been for Ginny, Harry'd never have been in a position to
fight the Basilisk.  Ginny's life debt isn't a result of the Basilisk, but
of Harry going into the chamber in the first place.

Jeff again:

> This is why, I beleive and this is an opinion, the FIRST applies.
> Harry SPARED Pettigrew from certain death with NOTHING to gain.
> Sirius and Lupin were not going to attack Harry by trying to save

I don't know.  Moments before Sirius had his hand around Harry's throat, his
fingers tightening, choking Harry.  He didn't let go of Harry until
Hermione's kicked him.

Jeff continues:

> Peter. Harry's life was in no danger. Peter was disamred and injured.
> This would also apply to James and Snape, because Jasmes was in
> direct mortal danger By NOT saving Snape. Therefore, putting Snape in
> James debt.

I may be reading this part wrong, so please help me figure it out.  Why
exactly does Snape have the life debt to James?  My thoughts are that James
would never have entered the passage that night if he weren't trying to save
Snape.

Richelle (me) wrote:

> > Harry's response: Uncontrolled rage shatters Aunt Marge's wineglass.

Marcus replied:

> Are you sure it was Harry who did it?  Aunt Petunia was there, AND
> Harry didn't get punished at all.  Aunt Marge just used the 'B' word
> describing Petunia's sister.  Now Petunia and Lily did not get along,
> but to have somebody call her sister that!  Interesting, no?

Well, Harry certainly thought he did it.  And Petunia does claim to hate her
sister.  So unless she's lying (which I doubt) she shouldn't mind anything
Aunt Marge says about Lily.  Harry's own reaction to the glass breaking was
what I based my assumption on:

(PoA Scholastic edition, page 26) But Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon were
both looking at Harry suspiciously, so he decided he'd better skip dessert
and escape from the table as soon as he could.  Outside in the hall, he
leaned against the wall, breathing deeply.  It had been a long time since
he'd lost control and made something explode.  He couldnt' afford to let it
happen again.

Richelle

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