Comments- open subjects (re: Hagrid's wand, )

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 54976

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tom Marvolo Riddle" 
> <cbdm1121 at y...> wrote:
> > ...edited...
> > 
> > 1. Hagrid Wand.  I think it might be a mistake to assume that 
> > Hagrid's wand was ever snapped in two.  ...edited...
> 
> Annemehr:
> Howdy yourself! :)
> 
> ... it's not likely Hagrid's wand was saved from being snapped ....
> Professor Dippet is the one who was in charge of Hagrid being 
> expelled, and he would ... be ... snapping the wand.  
> 

bboy_mn:
I see two possibilities here regarding Hagrid's Wand.

First, Annemehr's point is valid; Dippet was headmaster and he
officiated Hagrid's expulsion. So I feel there was definitely A wand
snapped but it's not clear that THE wand was snapped. One possibility
is that Dumbledore gave Hagrid a substitute, and it was the substitute
wand that was snapped. Now Hagrid's original wand is hidden inside his
umbrella.

The other possibility is that Hagrid's wand was snapped and repaired,
or piece together sufficiently tight inside the umbrella as to make it
usable. I lean more toward repaired, but I think the book hints more
toward the pieces being fitted together tightly but still broken.

Personally, I don't see repairing a wand as that hard a thing to do. I
mean, if you can turn a hedge hog into a pin cushion, or a turtle into
a tea kettle, how hard could it be to fuse a couple of pieces of wood
together? It may not have been as good as new, but I believe it could
be made reasonably functional again. In fan fiction, all kinds of
things are repaired with the flick of a wand. Again, fan fiction isn't
canon, but their collective references represent a large body of
opinions regarding how the extended wizard world works. 

Regarding Ron's wand, first he did a really crappy job of repairing
it. Ron, I've got one word for you... GLUE! Since he did a crappy job
of repairing it, it worked crappy. And we must note that it wasn't
non-functional, it was just very unpredictable. 

I always regarded Ron's wand as one of the 'life lessons' that the
Professors like to teach. I'm sure it could have been reasonably
repaired if Ron had only take the initiative to go to someone and ask
them for help. Same for Ron's crappy dress robes, if he had gone to
someone and asked for help, they could have probably been improved.

Back to Hagrid. Hargid's magic isn't all that reliable, plus he
initially is restricted from doing magic. On top of that, he was kick
out of school so what he does know, he picked up on his own. So, I
guess the point here is that Hagrid's wand has never had to strain
itself magically. 

As I said before, the book seems to want us to believe that the still
broken pieces are in the umbrella, but give all that magic can do, I
have to believe that it can fuse a couple pieces of wood, so my
opinion is that his less than 100% functional but repaired wand is in
the umbrella. I guess only time will tell us for sure.



> Tom Marvolo Riddle (Zach) continued: 
> 
> > I think it's also possible dumbledore transfigured 
> > the wand into a pink umbrella just to hide it better.
> 
> Annemehr:
> Now, this I might believe.  It's a much better solution, 
> 

bboy_mn:
Let's look at magic fiction in general, wizards and witches of all
fictional forms all seem to have some magical or enchanted object that
they use to focus their magic when casting spells, charms, and/or
curses. Lord of the Rings and many other wizards use a staff, the
wizard's wand of course is extremely common, less common are talisman,
charms (physical charms like medalions), magic gems, or other magic
objects. So the point is that an enchanted umbrella could in itself be
used and a device to focus magic. It need not have a broken wand in
it. And the possibility of tranforming the wand into an umbrella is
just as possible. So I'm in agreement, that could very well be what
happened. Although, personally, I lean more toward the repaired wand.
Hopefully, before Hagrid dies, we will find out.
 

> Zach again:
> <snip>
> > 3.  Trelawny and her experience with these matters - I do think 
> > there's more to this story than we know right now, but every 
> > time I read that part, I get the sense that Trelawny is pulling 
> > a Lockhart, rushing to Harry's aide acting like she knows 
> > everything without any real idea what she's talking about.
> 
> 
> Annemehr:
> Ah!  But that's obviously exactly what we're *meant* to think! <g>  
> >  ...edited...
> 
> Annemehr

bboy_mn:
The problem I have with this scene is that we only know what Harry
thought. I would like to know what Ron saw and thought. I would like
to know what Trelawney saw and thought. We see Harry's dream but we
don't see Harry. Trelawney seems to instant recognise that Harry is
having some type of psychic experience because the first thing she
asks him is if it is a premonition, an apparition, and what he is
'seeing'. Based on this, I still take the position that when she
mentions her experience, she is speaking of pschic events in general
and not specifically cursed scars. 

I'm sure to Trelawney, this was like Christmas come early, but Harry
grinched* out and denied her this special treat.

(*grinched - a reference to Dr. Seuss's 'Grinch Who Stole Christmas;)


Just a thought.

bboy_mn