Comments- open subjects (re: Hagrid's wand, )

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 55031

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "finwitch" <finwitch at y...> wrote:
> 
> > bboy_mn:
> > ... wizards and witches of all fictional forms all seem to have
> > some magical or enchanted object that they use to focus their 
> > magic when casting spells, charms, and/or curses. ... wizards use
> > a staff, the wizard's wand ..., ...talisman, charms (physical...) 
> > , magic gems, or other magic objects.

> 
> Me (Finwitch):
> Not in all fiction a word or gesture works too, sometimes. ..., like
> Soprano Sorceress, where *music* is the magic - .... Another is 
> ... a special word ....
> 

bboy_mn:
While my main point was that Hagrid's wand could indeed be a 'wand' in
and of itself without the broken wand inside, and that it could also
be Hargird's wand transformed into an umbrella as someone suggested, I
agree with your point that a wand isn't always required for magic. I
was just trying to establish a precident that verified the suggested
possibility, not define all fictional magic. 

As you pointed out there are several examples in the HP books where
productive focused magic is performed by wizards without a wand. I
think common and familiar spells become very easy for an experienced
witch or wizard, enough so that they don't need to bother with a wand
for a alot of the small stuff.


> Sure, Hagrid's umbrella is or contains his broken wand; Why else 
> would he grasp to it tightly at Ollivanders? He uses the umbrella 
> like a wizard would use a wand.  ...edited...
> 

bboy_mn:
the book so far strongly suggests that the broken wand is inside the
umbrella, and clearly that is what we are suppose to believe at this
point. But that is based on nothing more than a guess on Harry's part,
 so other possibilities aren't completely ruled out. Still at this
point it is the logical assumption that the broken wand is in the
umbrella. Again, I was just trying to establish a precident that
backed up someone elses suggestion.

> ...edited...like, well - things where an adult would get nothing or
> fine, I doubt they'd snap a wand.
> 
> -- Finwitch

bboy_mn:
Right again, in Hagrid's case, serveral people were injured and
someone died, so the punishment for that would be extreme. Although,
given a death occurred, Hagrid got off very lightly. If an adult
wizard had done what Hagrid was accused of doing, I'm sure prison time
would have been involved. In general though, I don't think they run
around snapping wands right and left for every little offense.

I also think that conciously or subconciously Prof. Dippet and the
Ministry knew that the case against Hagrid was weak, and that if they
truly investigated it with an objective eye, the accusations wouldn't
stand up, but they were more interesting in the whole thing being over
with than they were with justice.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn