Longbottoms, St. Mungos, Lucius, and Celestina...

[Serena Moonsilver]

No: HPFGUIDX 56171

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "gishstar1" 
<gishdaydream at h...> wrote:
> I 
> have a few theories... but this is one of them that I have been 
> longing to discuss with others. Ok, so we know that the 
Longbottoms 
> are at Saint Mungos... because someone put the crucatious curse on 
> them and it's heavily affected them and their memeories... I have 
> reason so suspect that Neville was hit with "obilivate" (sp?) as a 
> young baby... now... who would want a baby to forget something? 
AND! 
> what could the effects of a memory spell have on a baby? ... J.K. 
> keeps mentioning and reminding us that Neville is very 
forgetful... 
> hmmm... there's got to be a reason for that. 

I think there are a lot of people here who would agree with you.  
Being new to group myself, I can't say how it's been discusses here, 
but I do know that it has been talked about a lot in Potter fandom 
at large.


Ok... something else to 
> muse upon... Saint Mungos... we know that the Longbottoms are at 
the 
> hospital can't remember a thing, or themselves... I think someone 
is 
> preventing them from getting better. Why would I say that? 
> 
> My theory 
> is becaues Lucius Malfoy donates to Saint Mungos Hospital. (as 
> stated in Book 4 at the start of the Quidditch World Cup by 
> Cornelius Fudge) and who do we all know that Mr. Malfoy is 
> associated with??? Voldemort! Now, is Lucius donating out of the 
> pureness of his heart? (ha!) or is it because he's paying to make 
> sure that certain somebodies don't recover from their 'injuries'. 

Now that is an interesting theory.  But what could they possibly 
know that Malfoy would want hidden?  I have one guess--I just 
finished re-reading GoF and the reason the Lestranges +others 
tortured the Longbottoms is that they thought the Longbottoms knew 
the location of Voldemort.  What if Frank, as a auror, had been 
assigned to hunt down what was left of Voldemort (if Mad-Eye was in 
charge at the time, he would have been certain that Voldemort 
survived).  And what if he came close to finding him.  The 
Lestranges has already talked their way out of Azkaban once, why 
risk going back just to show support for Voldemort?  What if the 
attack on the Longbottoms was to help Voldemort get away?


> Let it be known as well, Voldemort said (and we can never take 
what 
> he says serious because he's almost always lying... but we are 
very 
> certain that he is aware when people are lying to him) that once 
> someone has had a memory charm put on them and to alter that to 
make 
> them remember harms that person and they are no longer ... uhmm i 
> can't think of the word... but it's not good... they're like not 
> people anymore... but like they're memories are permantly damaged 
> and they aren't (he put it as useful) well, they aren't human 
> anymore... they just have perpetual Alzheimers... anycrud... 

Hmm...are you talking about what he did to Bertha Jorkins here?  
It's much worse than Alzheimers effect, the person goes mad and is a 
shell of themselves.  Oblivate has more of an Alzheimers effect 
except it's all at once instead of gradually over time.


So... 
> to make Neville remember would be putting him in danger of his 
> life... that's what I'm getting from that statement... 

More like his sanity.

BUT we also 
> know of another certain somebody that is donating to this 
hospital.. 
> Celestina Warbeck and if she's donating and Lucius is donating... 

Maybe I missed something but I don't think we have any proof 
Celestina Warbeck is evil in cannon (do we?)

I 
> dont think anyone by the names of Mr. and Mrs. Longbottom are 
going 
> to ever get better... 

Quite possibly.  But still Neville has a better chance of getting 
his parents back than Harry has.

"Serena Moonsilver"