Harry, Hermione & Ron [SHIP + CRAB]

[greatelderone]

No: HPFGUIDX 74687

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Doriane" <delwynmarch at y...> 
wrote:
> I'm afraid you're wrong. He 
> had to do without Hermione in PoA, when the boys threw a major 
> tantrum at her over the Firebolt Affair, and sulked at her for 
weeks 
> on. And even when Hagrid told them how miserable Hermione was and 
how 
> she was crying and everything, neither of them relented. They were 
> doing quite fine without her, and they didn't care about hurting 
her 
> feelings.

GEO:
If anything Ron was the one trying to hurt her while Harry did 
absolutely nothing, but stopped talking to her. However you are also 
missing the fact that Harry was the first to try and reconcile with 
Hermione in the Patronus chapter immediately after he got the 
firebolt back and then later after the Gryffindor victory while Ron 
was still acting like an idiot over the Firebolt, which wasn't
even 
his to begin with, and Scabbers.
 
> But the most telling thing for me is precisely that time when he 
had 
> to do without Ron. If he was interested in Hermione, he would have 
> been happy to spend some more time with her. But he wasn't ! In 
fact, 
> he was bored with only her around.
> 

GEO: Actually that isn't very telling since he had the whole first
task 
with the dragons staring in front of him so I don't think he
could 
have possibly lightened up with his possible death approaching. 

> So : he doesn't suffer when he sees less of her, and he's not happy 
> when he sees more of her. I can hardly see how this can be twisted 
> into : he's romantically interested in her.

GEO: I seriously disagree with your conclusion and premeise. Many of 
the 
times he has spent alone with her are during times of danger to him 
or to the both of them so they can't exactly have fun and yet when 
they have a fight over something he tries reconciliation immediately 
after the issue of the fight is resolved.
 
> 
> Of course she is. Harry is her friend, Viktor is only her date. I 
> think we all agree that she's not in love with Viktor. Which means 
> that, though it's probably nice to spend some time with him, still 
it 
> doesn't compare to spending time with her best friends, which 
happen 
> to be Harry and Ron.
> 

GEO:We don't know that since everything is told from Harry's pov
so we 
don't know if Hermione actually likes Viktor or not, but the fact 
that Viktor is jealous of Harry just indicates that there is possibly 
something between Viktor and Hermione. Besides the fact that they 
continue their relationship through long distance correspondence 
indicates that he was more than a date to the yule ball.

> Moreover, you're interpreting the books here : nowhere does it say 
> that Harry is *all* she talks about.

GEO: No, but she talks about him often enough that it makes Viktor 
Krum 
suspicious of something and the fact that he didn't even bring up
the 
Skeeter article indicates imo that he noticed the whole thing without 
having the benefit of reading it.

> I'll bet she only mentions him 
> once in a while, which she is bound to do, considering that they 
> spent most of their life at Hogwarts together. So how could she 
avoid 
> the "Oh, one day, Harry did something so funny, let me tell you", 
> or "Harry says that", or "With Harry once we did this", etc... And 
> you know what ? 

GEO: They are your own guesses and assumptions. Mind providing quotes 
or 
evidence to back them up.

>I'll bet she mentions Ron just as often. But because 
> Ron is neither a celebrity nor one of his opponent in the 
Tournament, 
> Viktor doesn't care about him.

GEO: Again we don't know that. The whole reason that Krum is
suspicious is 
NOT because Harry is a Triwizard contestant and who just happens to 
be Hermione's friend, but the fact that Hermione talks about him
a 
lot especially when he didn't even ask her to volunteer
information. 

> Yep, and both Viktor and Cho are being silly :-)

GEO :Doubt it considering Viktor himself is eighteen and more mature 
in the emotional and love angle.

> Harry can't figure 
> out why on Earth should Cho be jealous of Hermione, and I guess 
> Hermione can't either figure why Viktor is jealous of Harry. For 
one 
> simple reason : they are not in love with one another.

GEO: And yet they talk constantly about each other and in Harry's case
he 
lavishes praise upon Hermione and instead of taking his
girlfriend's 
side he takes Hermione's in regards to hexing of the parchment.
If 
anything else I think they do have unexplored feelings for one 
another.

> And when she tells him 
> that next time he should invite her first, what she's saying is : 
it 
> hurts me that you deny my femininity, please open your eyes and 
start 
> acting like you're a boy and I'm a girl. 

GEO: No I think it's not that he never acknowledged her as a girl, 
but that he only invited her after all his other choices turned him 
down. That and when he calls her a traitor at the Yule Ball which is 
not exactly the most mature thing.  

> She needs to *please*, she 
> needs to know she can seduce a guy. She's a teenage girl.
> 

GEO: Nice interpretation. Now you are making Hermione sound like 
gutter trash and the "scarlet woman" from Skeeter's article. 

If anything she is far from a typical teenage girl if Lavender and 
Parvati are the ones we use in comparison.

> ps : the fact that she's granting so much importance to Ron's 
> opinion, though, seems to me to indicate that he's got a special 
> place in her heart. 

GEO: Just your interpretation.

>She doesn't care anywhere as much that Harry 
> doesn't see as a girl...

GEO:
Really? And yet she wanted to know if he found her ugly or not.