Snape DE/spy status (WAS Snape and Redemption)

[magicroxx]

No: HPFGUIDX 76136

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Shirley" <shirley2allie at h...> 
wrote:
> digger <altered.earth at n...> wrote:
> > This Snape DE status is really bugging me.
> > If we take it that Snape is the one "who has left me forever"
> > Voldemort's statement that "he will be killed" seems to imply 
> that Snape should be on all DE's hit list.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Quote:
> > > "One too cowardly to return...he will pay.  One, who I believe 
> has left me forever...he will be killed of course...and one who 
> remains my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my 
> service.
> > 
> > How can Snape be the one who has left him forever, and "will be 
> killed" and at the same time be *Lucius Malfoy's lapdog*? 
> {{snip}} >>>>
> 
> 
> me (shirley):  *Excellent* question!!  I am not going to be much 
> help, I'm afraid, as I am pasting a large part of my post from last 
> week on this very thread, so I'm just adding to the confusion....
> 
> [last week's post 75667, (I think):
> Three thoughts/questions (and my apologies if these have been 
covered 
> in previous posts; I only joined about a week ago):
> 
> First, do we really *know* that it's Snape that LV is talking about 
> in the circle of DEs toward the end of Book 4? I know that I 
figured 
> that it was Snape who was lost forever (or however he worded it) as 
a 
> Death Eater, but has that ever been confirmed?
> 
> Second, and this may be trickier, since Snape was the only one who 
> suspected Quirrel of being in league with LV in Book 1, is that how 
> LV knows that Snape is no longer with him (LV)? Does he know it 
> because he was sitting (for lack of a better way to word it) on the 
> back of Quirrel's head the whole time, listening to Snape trying to 
> prevent Quirrel from getting to the stone?
> 
> Third, I always thought that Snape, the spy, was still showing up 
at 
> LV's lair/hideout as himself - still a loyal DE - and using 
> Occlumency to keep LV from seeing that he was a spy. However, (this 
> thought struck me as I was typing the second point above) if LV 
knows 
> that Snape is no longer on his side, then is Snape spying in 
another 
> form (Animagus, invisibility cloak, something??), and what form is 
> it? Whoa, I've just boggled my own mind! ;-) Does anyone have 
> thoughts on this? -end last week's post- ]
> 
> Shirley today (8-8-03):
> So, how can Snape possibly be the DE that LV referred to at the end 
> of GoF if he's still alive and kicking, as well as spying?  Does LV 
> know, in fact, that Snape isn't loyal to him after the Quirrel 
> experiences?  In what manner is Snape spying; I'm not sure he *can* 
> be a double-agent at this point?  Ooooh, this hurts my head!
> 
> Shirley

I always thought that LV was talking about the three death eaters 
that we know were not at the reunion ceremony. Karkaroff, Crouch and 
Snape. Crouch we know had entered back into his service, Karkaroff 
fled in fear, so I always thought Snape was the coward. I always 
thought was the one who was too cowardly to return, I am assuming 
that when he DID return to LV, he was probably tortured with the 
Cruciatis curse. Unless this has been disproven?

Roxx