Lucius and Snape (was Secret Agent Snape in OotP)

[ariadnemajic]

No: HPFGUIDX 76554

> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "severusbook4" 
<severusbook4 at y...> 
> wrote:
> > This may have been discussed before, and if it has, sorry for 
double posting. In SS Quirrel talks of Snape trying to stop him from 
> > finding the SS and thwarting him in his attempt to kill Harry 
during the quidditch match.  He does this while Lord Voldy is 
attached to the back of his head.  Now my question is how is Snape 
going to pull off being a DE while he was actively trying to stop 
Lord Voldy from coming back to power in the first book?  snip>

Now Kneasy:> 
> 
> There's a minority of us out here that do not think that Snape has
> necessarily returned to being a DE. The evidence militates against 
it.
> 1. Snape starts working for the Order two years before Voldy falls.
At this time, it looks as if Voldy is winning. Snape has no need
to act as Voldys' agent, especially as:- 
> 2. For at least one year in that time, Pettigrew is Voldys' 
informer.
> 3. At the mass trials (GoF pensieve scene) Snape is publicly 
revealed as a baddy turned good.
> 4. The Quirrell affair.
> 
> Why should V. trust Snape whatever he says? Sirius in OoP -"No-one
> leaves Voldemort and lives." The way V. acts, *anybody* is 
expendable if he has the slightest doubt or if they don't perform as 
required. <snip>. Snape is definitely up to something, what? is a 
very good question, but DE? Unlikely I think.
 

Now me:  Snape could definitely be spying without being a DE, or 
pretending to be one--the idea of Snape being an animagus has been 
much discussed--bat, snake....

But then there's the question of his relationship with Lucius. He 
could use his Legilimency/Occlumens skills to prevent Lucius from 
knowing his motives and to get info on the D.E's, but there's still 
the assumption (from the interactions with Quirrell) that Voldemort 
knows Snape's betrayal and would forbid D.E's from contacting Snape.  
Still, as recently as OOTP, Umbridge remarks on Lucius "speaking 
highly" of Snape. Is Lucius, *GASP* pretending to be a DE?  He did 
keep the other D.E.'s from harming Harry in the Dept. of Mysteries, 
and he didn't try to find Voldemort after his downfall...of course, 
there's the muggle-baiting incident at the World Cup, if Draco is to 
be believed.

The Lucius/Snape relationship just doesn't fit if Voldemort knows 
Snape's betrayal.  Ariadne