Lucius and Snape (was Secret Agent Snape in OotP)

[ghinghapuss]

No: HPFGUIDX 76576

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ariadnemajic" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "severusbook4" 
> <severusbook4 at y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > This may have been discussed before, and if it has, sorry for 
> double posting. In SS Quirrel talks of Snape trying to stop him 
from 
> > > finding the SS and thwarting him in his attempt to kill Harry 
> during the quidditch match.  He does this while Lord Voldy is 
> attached to the back of his head.  Now my question is how is Snape 
> going to pull off being a DE while he was actively trying to stop 
> Lord Voldy from coming back to power in the first book?  snip>

 Ariadne says:
> Now me:  Snape could definitely be spying without being a DE, or 
> pretending to be one--the idea of Snape being an animagus has been 
> much discussed--bat, snake....
> 
> But then there's the question of his relationship with Lucius. He 
> could use his Legilimency/Occlumens skills to prevent Lucius from 
> knowing his motives and to get info on the D.E's, but there's still 
> the assumption (from the interactions with Quirrell) that Voldemort 
> knows Snape's betrayal and would forbid D.E's from contacting 
Snape.  
> Still, as recently as OOTP, Umbridge remarks on Lucius "speaking 
> highly" of Snape. Is Lucius, *GASP* pretending to be a DE?  He did 
> keep the other D.E.'s from harming Harry in the Dept. of Mysteries, 
> and he didn't try to find Voldemort after his downfall...of course, 
> there's the muggle-baiting incident at the World Cup, if Draco is 
to  be believed.
> The Lucius/Snape relationship just doesn't fit if Voldemort knows 
> Snape's betrayal.  Ariadne


Me: The LV/Lucius/Snape relationship as described above makes perfect 
sense if LV knows Snape if spying and is choosing to use it to his 
advantage. It is not necessary for LV to let Lucius know this 
especially if LV mistrusts Lucius, which I believe he does. (GoF LV 
calls Lucius "My slippery friend.")   Lucius isn't stupid but he is 
arrogant and legitimately powerful enough within the WW to be a 
potential danger to LV and it is certainly to LV to advantage to have 
something on Lucius to use if necessary. 
Mandy