Did Lupin do it? (was Tactics & Prescience)

[lupinwolf2001]

No: HPFGUIDX 76716




> 
> I have some second thoughts, 
> though, because it is really hard for me to be convinced that 
anyone, 
> even Dumbledore, would sacrifice someone's life, even for the 
greater 
> good, especially if they trully belong to the good side.
> For me, the biggest difference between the Order and the Death 
Eaters 
> is the value they give to human or any kind of life. 
> 
> cheers
> holly_phoenix_11

Hi Holly, I would think the same thing about Dumbledore but I found 
the following reagarding Dumbledore just TOO incriminating...

1.) During the death as Sirius is falling (arcing) into the veil of 
death, why is there careful mention that Dumbledore turns towards the 
dais. We know he can cast spells without a wand and just moments 
before we see him " Dumbledore's spell pulled him back as easily and 
effortlessly as though he had hooked him with an invisible line"... 
Could Dumbldore have done the same for Sirius? I think so. But 
instead the veil blows as if a great wind blew Sirius through it. 
Conicidence? I think not.

2.) Dumbldore tells Harry the following: "`There is no shame in what 
you are feeling, Harry,' said
Dumbledore's voice. `On the contrary
 the fact that you can feel pain 
like this is your greatest strength." 

So in Sirius's passing, Harry gains his greatest strength (the 
ability to repel voldemort) which DD seems to think is CRUCIAL to the 
epic struggle between good and evil. It is KEY that Harry have this 
or else (by his own admission) DD would have killed a Voldemort 
controlled Harry: "`Voldemort's aim in possessing you, as he 
demonstrated tonight, would not have been my destruction. It would 
have been yours. He hoped, when he possessed you briefly a short 
while ago, that I would sacrifice you in the hope of killing him. So 
you see, I have been trying, in distancing myself from you, to 
protect you, Harry. An old man's mistake 
"

So DD is essentially saying that it was not necessary to sacrifice 
Harry for the greater good becuase (though not saying it outright) he 
has already sacrificed Sirius so that Harry could have his greatest 
gift.

3.) You mentioned you didn't think DD capable of this type of 
rationalization... but he himself says the following:

`Is there a defence? I defy anyone who has watched you as I have - 
and I have watched you more closely than you can have imagined - not 
to want to save you more pain than you had already suffered. WHAT DID 
I CARE IF NUMBERS OF NAMELESS and FACELESS PEOPLE AND CREATURES WERE 
SLAUGHTERED IN THE VAUGE FUTURE, if in the here and now you were 
alive, and well, and happy? I never dreamed that I would have such a 
person on my hands.

By this statement he shows he not only capable of such thought... but 
guilty of it as well.

I believe wholeheartedly that DD was responsible for Sirius's death. 
Done for the greater good to ensure that Harry recieved his greatest 
weapon.