Pondering that Secret Keeper thing

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Mon Aug 18 22:38:44 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 77929

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Kelly" <keltobin at y...> wrote:
> 
> Here are a few points I have been pondering regarding the Fidelius 
> charm on the Godric Hollow House.
> 
> 1.  If Lily and James dying lifted the charm then why wasn't Harry 
> protected as well.  Harry was still alive, so the death of the 
> occupants being the charm would mean baby Harry was not part of the 
> spell.  Also, if the owner of the house being dead lifts the 
Fidelius 
> charm, would that nullify the charm on Grimmauld Place now that 
> Sirius is dead?
> 
> 2.  I think a key to this is the destruction of the house.  We know 
> from GoF (Chapter One:  The Riddle House) that Avada Kadavra only 
> kills the body when it hits (notice I say when it hits).  It seems, 
> however, that curses that don't hit a person can do quite a bit of 
> destruction:
> 
> "Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield.  
This 
> time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of 
Dumbledore, 
> that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces. . .(OoTP 
AM 
> 814)" 
> 
> We also see some evidence of this is the graveyard scene in GOF 
when 
> the gravestone cracks after being hit with a curse.  I assume this 
is 
> an effect of particularly strong curses or the walls of Hogwarts 
> would be pockmarked with students missed attempts at each other.
> 
> Therefore, I think that the destruction of the house shows that 
quite 
> a bit more went on at Godric's Hollow that a clean and easy killing 
> of James and Lily. 


Me:  I think we can all agree with Kelly that there is more going on 
here. JK has made a point that the snipets of what we read are just 
the tips of the ice berg.  Generally she explains things within a 
couple of chapters or else during the course of a single novel.  
However, the death (and the night) of James and Lilly have only been 
explained in parts.  So I think it's safe to assume that there is a 
lot more going on...

But on to my point about what happend:

1.  Sirus knew the township of where J and L were.  But not the 
house.  The destruction of the house was the evidence Sirus had to 
determine the exact location.

2.  Voldermort was defeated with his failed AK curse on Harry that 
fateful night.  But it was Wormtail (Peter Pettigrew) who blew up the 
house.  The proof I offer is this:  Having cornered Peter after L and 
J's deaths, Sirus is framed by Peter in the death of several 
Muggles.  To paraphrase, Peter yelled to the crowd: How could you, 
Sirus?!!?!? James and Lily?!?!?  Then Peter (with his wand behind his 
back) "blew up" the street, transformed into a rat, and ran into the 
sewer with the other rats.   
    Any one ever notice that Peter knew how and could blow things up 
to such a degree that mass death and destruction could occur?  And 
did anyone ever notice that James and Lily's house had also blow 
up?   
    My theory is this: Voldermort killed James and Lily, attempted to 
kill Harry all while Peter was outside watching and waiting.  But he 
realized that his Master was defeated-- not dead, but not alive; went 
into the house to find the James and Lily dead, Harry alive, and 
Voldermorts wand.  Peter took his Master's wand and hid it before 
Sirus caught up with him the next day.  But before leaving he 
attempted to kill Harry by blowing up the house.  He reasoned that if 
a direct curse from LV could not kill Harry, then he should try 
something different.  However, the charm that saved Harry's life 
protects him not just from voldermort, but from voldermort's plans 
and mingeons-- while living at the place where "his blood lives".  
And where could his blood live, but at his parents's home?


I think this explanation helps explain, how Voldermort got his wand 
back; why the house was destoryed and why Harry survived the 
destruction of the house...

any thoughts?  

"Alec"








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