new thoughts after rereading SS/PS

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 78248

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mlle_bienvenu" 
<mlle_bienvenu at h...> wrote:


Stacy:
> > The prophecy talks about voldemort marking harry, which I had 
> always 
> > taken to mean the scar.  In the first book though, Dumbledore 
> refers 
> > to Lily marking Harry with her love when she dies to save him.  
In 
> > the fourth book, Voldemort takes some of Harry's own blood, so he 
> > can get the residing protection.  But it's almost like he's 
marking 
> > himself with something good, wherease Harry is good but marked 
with 
> > evil.  Like they compliment each other, and in a very strange way 
> > slowly becoming one.  In the fifth book, this trend continues, 
with 
> > Harry lapsing into Voldemorts thoughts, and at the end, with 
> > Voldemort possessing him.
> > 
> > In book two, Harry himself points out how much he is like Tom 
> > Riddle.  Except where Tom is choosing evil, Harry is choosing 
> good.  
> > Opposites.  And Harry shows mercy (book three, when he does not 
> > allow pettigrew to be killed) wherease Voldemort does not (his 
> > ditching Quirrel in book one).
> > 
> > The problem with all these theories, is that I cannot tell where 
> > it's going.  Summarizing, Harry and Voldemort are seeming to 
become 
> > one creation, (I keep thinking of them like a Yin and Yang) but 
> > where do we go from here?



> 
> Mlle Bienvenu: You know, I've had a theory about that. I haven't 
> really fleshed it out. There really isn't a lot of supporting 
canon. 
> But maybe other people will have some thoughts on it.
> 
> To me, LV's motivation has always been his fear of death. I think 
> more than love of power and recognition, the fear of dying has 
> motivated him. What he says to DD in OotP confirms my belief "What 
> could be worse than death?" (I paraphrase) Also look at the things 
> he's done; he's preserved himself in a diary, he's taken 
precautions 
> which allowed him to become a 'shade' when his curse blows up in 
his 
> face, he's not only been reborn, but reborn in such a way as to 
allow 
> some protection from his mortal enemy.  
> 
> By the time Harry was born, LV was already an old man nearing the 
end 
> of his life. What if Voldemort wasn't trying to kill Harry, but 
> transfer his own soul into Harry's body? (and in essence, become 
> young again) But something backfired and stopped the process 
> (probably something to do with Lily) This would explain the mental 
> connection between LV and Harry, and why Harry's got the same gifts 
> LV has got, and also why LV chose Harry, who was most like him, in 
> looks and in background. It would also explain the vagueness of the 
> whole situation. The books never said specifically that it was an 
AK 
> Harry saw. And even though everyone's said LV was trying to kill 
> Harry, the soul transferring spell may have killed him anyway. (two 
> scenarios, it's a soul-tranferring spell which basically shoves the 
> other person's soul out, or it's a soul-switching spell which would 
> put harry in LV's body and LV in Harry's body. Both cases 
effectivly 
> kill Harry, as far as I can see.) 
> 
> Eh, I don't know. I've been toying with the idea for some time, 
just 
> thought I get it out there.
> 
> Mlle Bienvenu

Geoff:
Re the scar matter in PS. Quote 1:
Inside, just visible, was a baby boy, fast asleep. Under a tuft of 
jet-black hair over his forehead, they could see a curiously shaped 
cut, like a bolt of lightning.
"Is that where -?" whispered Professor McGonagall.
"Yes", said Dumbledore. "He'll have that scar for ever."
"Couldn't you do something about it Dumbledore?"
"Even if I could, I wouldn't....." (pp.15-16)

Quote 2:
"But why couldn't Quirrell touch me?"
"Your mother died to save you. If there is one thing Voldemort cannot 
undestand, it is love. He didn't realise that love so powerful as 
your mother's for you leaves its own mark. Not a scar, no visible 
sign.... to have been loved so deeply, even though the person who 
loved us is gone, will give us some protection for ever. It is in 
your very skin....." (p.216 both quotes Bloomsbury UK edition)

Re the different choices HP and Tom Riddle made, it reminds me of the 
different paths chosen by Gandalf and Saruman in LOTR, both from the 
same background.