POA Dementor Kiss on Harry - New Question

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No: HPFGUIDX 78274

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...>
> wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "James Redmont" 
> > <jamesredmont at h...> wrote:
> > > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bohcoo" 
<sydenmill at m...> 
> > > wrote: 
> > > <snip>> > How did Fudge know the dementors tried to Kiss 
Harry? 
> 
> >  James Redmont said:
> > > DD told him, I'll bet.  How did DD know?  He knows everything, 
> > > doesn't he?
> > 
> 
> > Talisman,swoops in to say:
> > 
> > I believe Snape told DD.  Snape was the only one in a position 
to do 
> > so.  
> > 
Snape here:

Snape came to as the dementors were proceding back to their guard 
posts. He would not have seen anything happen, as he did not mention 
Harry's patronus, Snape didn't know what caused the dementors to 
retreat.  

> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> Here is a wild and crazy idea, maybe Fudge talked to the Dementors 
and asked them what happened. 

Severus here:

I believe it was DD's ability to read minds through that L word that 
Snape used on Harry to teach him that Occulemency (sp?).  But if 
Fudge took this as fact, wouldn't he also except the fact that 
Wormtail was actually there, because DD would be able to see it in 
Harry's, Hemione's, and Ron's minds?  And Sirious would receive a 
full pardon?  There are too many inconsistencies, the only way that 
Fudge could know was that he either spoke to the dementors (can they 
speak?) or he had ordered the kiss to be used against Harry.  Maybe 
under the mind control of MacNair, a know DE.    

> snip <
> And Fudge may have had a chance to question Sirius, even though he
> doesn't believe Sirius, his story would have still filled in SOME 
of the details of what happened.

Severus here:

Sirius was the first to go down from the dementors effect, he would 
not have seen anything either.  And as far getting anything out of 
Harry, he was unconscious until woken by Fudges conversation with 
Snape outside the hospital wing door.   Same with Hermione.  Poppy 
never mentioned the fact that either was muttering in their sleep.  
Ron was out until they returned from using the time turner.

bboy here:

> snip <
> Short version: The Dementors told him.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> bboy_mn

Severus here:  

Or he told them to do it and Harry drove them away with his 
patronus.  And since Harry survived, Fudge had to cover his butt.   
I believe Fudge doesn't care for Harry or if he survives at all, to 
Fudge, he is just bait to get Sirius to show at Hogwarts.  And this 
could be backed up in GoF, Fudge was helping Harry, so he could win 
the TWC and be the one to touch the cup.  Does Fudge know that 
Wormtail is still alive and tried to catch Sirius before he got to 
Wormtail?  I think Fudge is a DE sympathiser (sp?).

Severus