POA Dementor Kiss on Harry - New Question

[Talisman]

No: HPFGUIDX 78370

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> Snipping the 99% of Talisman's post with which she has no argument,
> Annemehr notes: The time-turned version of Harry was there <snip> 
to deflect the dementors.  <snip> A neccessary result of time travel 
to the past is that an action you perform now (whatever it is that 
ennables time travel) is going to have an effect in the past, before 
the action was ever performed. 

Talisman, who really wanted to avoid the stink sap of time-travel 
theory, responds:

1) Even if time travel ultimately results in a single, albeit 
modified, reality, I maintain that you have to be functional to 
initiate the cycle.  Sirius cannot use a time-turner to get himself 
out from behind the veil.  Barty Crouch, Jr. can't get a time turner 
from Winky and take the Knight bus out of town before the last task. 
A soul-sucked Harry could not initiate the time travel that would 
create the one, seamless, unsucked reality you envision.


2)Moreover, even with one time, you have to concede multiple 
existences.  That is to say, Hermione exists in all three of the 
classes for which she is triple booked, within the same "seamless" 
hour, but accruing all three experiences.  If choosing to go to 
Arithmancy modified the earlier choice to go to Divination, there 
would be no benefit to the time turner.

Therefore, if experiences accrue (albeit within one, somewhat 
overpopulated,time) as they do for Hermione, time-turned Harry would 
save an obviously soul-sucked Harry--under your "he was his own 
rescuer" theory.  This he does not do.  

Even if you allow soul-sucked people to initiate time changes (which 
I don't), you can't allow Hermione to have apples the first time, 
oranges the second and bananas the third--and end up with all three; 
but say that Harry gets apples the first time, only these are taken 
away because he has oranges the second--so he gets only oranges.

I don't know why the "footsteps" convince you so. Time-turned Harry 
and Hermione may well have heard original Harry and Hermione's 
footsteps in the entrance hall, but I'll bet they heard their own 
time-turned footsteps when they scampered out right after 
themselves. You can keep the time constant, but the experiences 
accrue.

Ergo, either Hermione is going to fail 2/3 of her classes, or, if 
someone else didn't save Harry, you've always got a soul-sucked 
Harry experience to deal with.

And don't even start with Buckbeak because,
1)Animal life is not human life;
2)Harry and Hermione HAVE "accrued" the experience of the original 
execution;and,
3)Dumbledore (not just time turned H & H)was obviously helping out 
here (stalling for time/looking amused/aware of what is going on) so 
there is no telling how he fiddle with this part of it. (PoA 401-402)

Talisman, who noting the hour, wishes she had a time turner, too.