Theory Bay: Ouroboros in HP?

[princesspeaette]

No: HPFGUIDX 78501

KatyK:
>Look at Bertha Jorkins.  Crouch Sr. put such a 
>strong memory charm on her that it permanently damaged her memory 
>even though he was only out to destroy one memory.  And Voldemort 
>and Wormtail were only able to get at her missing memory by 
>destroying the woman.
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> hesdead-dealwithit
>Also, Crouch's charm did not damage her memory - she was forgetful 
>before that. Only when LV extracted the memory from her, it resulted 
>in her being destroyed  and useless - but not killed. There is no 
>reason that before LV got to her her memory wouldn't have started to 
>come back from what Crouch charmed her about.
 


Me:

Crouch *did* damage her memory permanently, and she was *not* 
forgetfull before that: 

Sirius in GoF pg 533 (US Hardcover)
"Yes, he's [Bagman] quoted in the article in there, blustering on 
about how bad Bertha's memory is. Well, maybe she's changed since I 
knew her, but the Bertha I knew wasn't forgetful at all - quite the 
reverse.  She was a bit dim, but had an excellent memory for gossip."

This is said *after* Crouch Sr. does the memory charm that caused the 
damage to her memory.

Barty Crouch Jr. GoF pg 685 (US Hardcover)
"She [Bertha] came to investigate.  She heard enough to guess who was 
hiding under the invisibility cloak.  My father arrived home.  She 
confronted him.  He put a very powerful Memory Charm on her to make 
her forget what she'd found out.  Too powerful.  He said it damaged 
her memory permanantly."


~Margaret