FUDGE IS A DE!!!!

[maneelyfh]

No: HPFGUIDX 78699

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "severusbook4" 
<severusbook4 at y...> wrote:
> Maneelyfh and I have been comparing our opinions on Fudge and his 
> convenient stance on LV not being back untill the end of OotP.
> 
> I have pulled our findings and it seems, astonishingly, that Fudge 
> is in leagues with LV.
> 
> First in PoA, Fudge is at the Leaky Cauldren to greet Harry and to 
> make sure he is O.K., and that his underage misuse of magic against 
> his aunt was no big thing.  This sounds fine until later.
> 
> Second in PoA, the dementors left their posts to invade the 
> Quidditch match and they seemed very interested in Harry, they were 
> all looking up at him, no one else.  Did they do this at Fudge's 
> request?  We think so. 
> 
> Third in PoA, the dementors try to administer the kiss to Harry and 
> perhaps to Hermione.  Would the dementors act on their own accord, 
> and go against orders?  The only one that was to get the kiss 
> immediately was Sirius, but there is no mention of this.  The 
> dementors receive their orders from who?  Fudge, that's who.  And 
> how would he know that the dementors had tried to "kiss" Harry in 
> the first place, the only one who knew was Harry and he remained 
> unconscious until Fudge had already told DD about the 
> attempted "kiss".  Fudge knew because he had orered it, and to save 
> face, he had to order the dementors back to Azkaban, even after 
> Sirius had escaped once again. 
> 
> Fourth in PoA, If Fudge thought Harry and friends were actually 
> under Sirius' control, he would still believe Harry and friends 
were 
> in danger from Sirius, and the dementors would have remained, even 
> against DD wishes.  Harry and friends were the only one's defending 
> Sirius, and Snape and Fudge said that they had be cunfunded, so how 
> would Fudge know Sirius would not attempt to kill Harry again, 
> because Fudge knew Sirius was after Peter in the first place, and 
> Fudge was trying to protect Peter.  Peter had escaped, as Harry, 
> Hermione, and Ron told them.  So it was safe for the dementors to 
go 
> back to Azkaban, Peter was safe from Sirius.
> 
> Fifth in GoF, the pensieve incident, Karkaroff states "...we never 
> knew the names of everyone of our fellows...He alone knew who we 
all 
> were..."  This statement gives further proof of the possibility of 
> Fudge being a DE, because if know one knew except LV, then one one 
> could rat him out.
> 
> Sixth in GoF, Crouch would have been getting orders from Fudge 
> during the Tri Wizard Tourney and that would be the reason he 
helped 
> Harry with the tasks, whether it was trough Cedrick, Moody, or 
> himself.  Crouch told Cedrick how to read the second clue and in 
> turn knew Cedrick would tell Harry, since Harry had helped him with 
> the first task.  
> 
> Seventh in GoF, Moody was hired by DD, who else would know except 
> the MOM?  Fudge then told Crouch Jr. to take Moody's place in order 
> to facilitate Harry winning the cup.  Why else would Fudge have the 
> kiss administered so quickly to Crouch Jr. after his capture?  So 
> Crouch Jr. could not tell of Fudge's involvement.
> 
> Eighth in GoF, LV states "...I shall have all my devoted servants 
> returned to me, and an army of creatures whom all fear."  Could LV 
> be speaking of the creatures that Luna Lovegood says Fudge is 
> secretly breeding? 
> 
> And finally in OotP, Umbridge, who sent the dementors to "kiss" 
> Harry.  Umbridge, who had all the power to do what she wanted at 
> Hogwarts.  Umbridge, who undermined the DADA class so the students 
> could not stand a chance in a battle against the dark arts. Which 
> would make it easier for LV to regain power, there would be no one 
> trained to stop him.  Where did she receive this power?  Fudge,he 
> apointed her high inquisitor at Hogwarts and he signed all the 
> decrie's <sp?> she wanted.  Also, Fudge's accusation of DD creating 
> an army to over throw him is just a clever cover up, (even though 
DD 
> turned the job down), so he could do as he pleased.  
> 
> O.K., just one more.  Why did Fudge try to punish Harry for the 
> underage use of magic so ferverently in the MOM?  Harry had a 
> serious reason for that use of magic, but all the other times, 
> Dobbies levitation of the cake, Harry blowing up his aunt, had been 
> delt with very lightly. Fudge had a means to further discredit 
Harry 
> and possibly have him removed from the situation totally.  By 
> further discredit of Harry, it is easier to discredit DD by 
> associating them so closely, ie; "DD must be crazy to believe this 
> boy. Look at all he's done."  Fudge tried to use this to his 
> advantage through the local paper.
> 
> One final question, does everyone think Fudge is an idiot?  He did 
> become MOM some how.  Do you think that he would be this clueless 
in 
> all the signs pointing to LV's resurection?  Fudge knew, but he 
also 
> knew LV needed time to gain his army back, and Fudge was able to 
> deny his existence with plausible deniability.  
> 
> Severus "I'm not a DE, He is." Snape


Maneelyfh here with more (or less depending on how you look at it)
I am rereading OOTP and the scene when Umbridge acutually touchs 
Harry that he gets a severe head pain, and the funny feeling in his 
stomach is bothering me.  In fact all his headaches up to chapter 
have me wondering about LV knowing things about Harry. 
At Grimwauld, He gets a headache, and I think it after he gets 
cleared from the underage magic charge.  Then with umbridge the scar 
pain is mixed iwtha feeling in his stomach that he recognizes as 
happiness or joy. 

Soooo, wht I am thinking is that there is a Umbridge?LV/Fudge thing 
going on and Umbridge on orders from Fudge or LV is trying to get 
Harry away from school by making his life so miserable there or that 
he gets into trouble and expelled.  LV is angry that Harry got off of 
the underage ministry charge, and it happy that Harry has felt great 
pain at the hand of Umbridge.  

While this needs to be researched a bit more and probably better 
thought out (sorry, head injury at 16yo) I am hoping to get input for 
this.

Fran
Who whole heartedly agrees HARRY IS NOT GAY. Lets just not go there.