FUDGE IS A DE!!!!

[severusbook4]

No: HPFGUIDX 78704

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "maneelyfh" <maneelyfh at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "severusbook4" 
> <severusbook4 at y...> wrote:
> > Maneelyfh and I have been comparing our opinions on Fudge and 
his 
> > convenient stance on LV not being back untill the end of OotP.
> > 
> > I have pulled our findings and it seems, astonishingly, that 
Fudge 
> > is in leagues with LV.
> > 
> > First in PoA, Fudge is at the Leaky Cauldren to greet Harry and 
to 
> > make sure he is O.K., and that his underage misuse of magic 
against 
> > his aunt was no big thing.  This sounds fine until later.
> > 
> > Second in PoA, the dementors left their posts to invade the 
> > Quidditch match and they seemed very interested in Harry, they 
were 
> > all looking up at him, no one else.  Did they do this at Fudge's 
> > request?  We think so. 
> > 
> > Third in PoA, the dementors try to administer the kiss to Harry 
and 
> > perhaps to Hermione.  Would the dementors act on their own 
accord, 
> > and go against orders?  The only one that was to get the kiss 
> > immediately was Sirius, but there is no mention of this.  The 
> > dementors receive their orders from who?  Fudge, that's who.  
And 
> > how would he know that the dementors had tried to "kiss" Harry 
in 
> > the first place, the only one who knew was Harry and he remained 
> > unconscious until Fudge had already told DD about the 
> > attempted "kiss".  Fudge knew because he had orered it, and to 
save 
> > face, he had to order the dementors back to Azkaban, even after 
> > Sirius had escaped once again. 
> > 
> > Fourth in PoA, If Fudge thought Harry and friends were actually 
> > under Sirius' control, he would still believe Harry and friends 
> were 
> > in danger from Sirius, and the dementors would have remained, 
even 
> > against DD wishes.  Harry and friends were the only one's 
defending 
> > Sirius, and Snape and Fudge said that they had be cunfunded, so 
how 
> > would Fudge know Sirius would not attempt to kill Harry again, 
> > because Fudge knew Sirius was after Peter in the first place, 
and 
> > Fudge was trying to protect Peter.  Peter had escaped, as Harry, 
> > Hermione, and Ron told them.  So it was safe for the dementors 
to 
> go 
> > back to Azkaban, Peter was safe from Sirius.
> > 
> > Fifth in GoF, the pensieve incident, Karkaroff states "...we 
never 
> > knew the names of everyone of our fellows...He alone knew who we 
> all 
> > were..."  This statement gives further proof of the possibility 
of 
> > Fudge being a DE, because if know one knew except LV, then one 
one 
> > could rat him out.
> > 
> > Sixth in GoF, Crouch would have been getting orders from Fudge 
> > during the Tri Wizard Tourney and that would be the reason he 
> helped 
> > Harry with the tasks, whether it was trough Cedrick, Moody, or 
> > himself.  Crouch told Cedrick how to read the second clue and in 
> > turn knew Cedrick would tell Harry, since Harry had helped him 
with 
> > the first task.  
> > 
> > Seventh in GoF, Moody was hired by DD, who else would know 
except 
> > the MOM?  Fudge then told Crouch Jr. to take Moody's place in 
order 
> > to facilitate Harry winning the cup.  Why else would Fudge have 
the 
> > kiss administered so quickly to Crouch Jr. after his capture?  
So 
> > Crouch Jr. could not tell of Fudge's involvement.
> > 
> > Eighth in GoF, LV states "...I shall have all my devoted 
servants 
> > returned to me, and an army of creatures whom all fear."  Could 
LV 
> > be speaking of the creatures that Luna Lovegood says Fudge is 
> > secretly breeding? 
> > 
> > And finally in OotP, Umbridge, who sent the dementors to "kiss" 
> > Harry.  Umbridge, who had all the power to do what she wanted at 
> > Hogwarts.  Umbridge, who undermined the DADA class so the 
students 
> > could not stand a chance in a battle against the dark arts. 
Which 
> > would make it easier for LV to regain power, there would be no 
one 
> > trained to stop him.  Where did she receive this power?  
Fudge,he 
> > apointed her high inquisitor at Hogwarts and he signed all the 
> > decrie's <sp?> she wanted.  Also, Fudge's accusation of DD 
creating 
> > an army to over throw him is just a clever cover up, (even 
though 
> DD 
> > turned the job down), so he could do as he pleased.  
> > 
> > O.K., just one more.  Why did Fudge try to punish Harry for the 
> > underage use of magic so ferverently in the MOM?  Harry had a 
> > serious reason for that use of magic, but all the other times, 
> > Dobbies levitation of the cake, Harry blowing up his aunt, had 
been 
> > delt with very lightly. Fudge had a means to further discredit 
> Harry 
> > and possibly have him removed from the situation totally.  By 
> > further discredit of Harry, it is easier to discredit DD by 
> > associating them so closely, ie; "DD must be crazy to believe 
this 
> > boy. Look at all he's done."  Fudge tried to use this to his 
> > advantage through the local paper.
> > 
> > One final question, does everyone think Fudge is an idiot?  He 
did 
> > become MOM some how.  Do you think that he would be this 
clueless 
> in 
> > all the signs pointing to LV's resurection?  Fudge knew, but he 
> also 
> > knew LV needed time to gain his army back, and Fudge was able to 
> > deny his existence with plausible deniability.  
> > 
> > Severus "I'm not a DE, He is." Snape
> 
> 
> Maneelyfh here with more (or less depending on how you look at it)
> I am rereading OOTP and the scene when Umbridge acutually touchs 
> Harry that he gets a severe head pain, and the funny feeling in 
his 
> stomach is bothering me.  In fact all his headaches up to chapter 
> have me wondering about LV knowing things about Harry. 
> At Grimwauld, He gets a headache, and I think it after he gets 
> cleared from the underage magic charge.  Then with umbridge the 
scar 
> pain is mixed iwtha feeling in his stomach that he recognizes as 
> happiness or joy. 
> 
> Soooo, wht I am thinking is that there is a Umbridge?LV/Fudge 
thing 
> going on and Umbridge on orders from Fudge or LV is trying to get 
> Harry away from school by making his life so miserable there or 
that 
> he gets into trouble and expelled.  LV is angry that Harry got off 
of 
> the underage ministry charge, and it happy that Harry has felt 
great 
> pain at the hand of Umbridge.  
> 
> While this needs to be researched a bit more and probably better 
> thought out (sorry, head injury at 16yo) I am hoping to get input 
for 
> this.
> 
> Fran
> Who whole heartedly agrees HARRY IS NOT GAY. Lets just not go 
there.

Severus here once again:

I remember that, Harry felt joy or happiness along with servere pain 
in his scar when Umbridge touched him.  Didn't he also feel joy 
during or soon after his dreams when LV was inflicting pain or death 
on some one?  Wasn't LV's happiness or anger projected to Harry 
through these dreams?  If I remember correctly, these facts point to 
Unbridge being a DE without a doubt.  How else would you explain, 
the pain of Harry's scar and his stomach feeling, (the same symptoms 
of LV) for close contact with Umbridge?  She must be A DE, as 
Maneelyfh stated, because LV would have been over joyed with Harry's 
pain inflicted by one of his DE's, and this would explain the weird 
joy feeling Harry had in his stomach and his scar hurting when 
Umbridge touched him to inspect her handly work.

Severus "we will make you believe" Snape