Harry's Wand - not a coincidence?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 78718

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "orourkeg" <gene_orourke at y...>
wrote:
> Has is occurred to anyone that the relationship between Harry's wand 
> and Voldemort's wand may not be sheer coincidence?  

bboy_mn: YES.

orourkeg:
> ... discussion ... at the end of GoF that Dumbledore was aware of 
> the protection Harry's blood had given him.  

bboy_mn:

Much more that a hint that he was aware, Dumbledore comes right out
and tells us that he arranged it all. Actually, we find out the full
details later, but that doesn't change the fact that Harry is
protected not just by his mother's act, but by Dumbledore using that
act along with Pertunia taking Harry in to invoke an ancient magical
protection that prevents Harry from being harmed. The bulk of that
protection is limited to Privet Drive, but I think the ancient
protection of 'blood' does carries beyond Privet Drive.

So, Dumbledore made this happen.

> orourkeg:
> If Dumbledore knew that, I would expect that he would also have 
> known what happens when two related wands do battle.
> 

bboy_mn:
I realize you are posing questions that are rhetorical, not meant to
be answered directly, and are just trying to stimulate discussion, but
I will answer you statement anyway.

With absolute certainly Dumbledore knew because it was Dumbledore who
told us.

> Knowing the prophesy, might Dumbledore have commissioned the second 
> wand using Fawkes' tail feather?  ... to expect that the wand would 
> ... choose Harry,....  This would be simply once more protection 
> that Dumbledore was able to convey to Harry.  I  don't think it has 
> been said anywhere that the two wands were created at the same time.
>
> orourkeg

bboy_mn:

True we don't know that those wands were created at the same time.
Personally, I don't think that one detail matters because regardless
of when the wand was created, Dumbledore could have influenced it's
creation for the very reason you suggested.

But he would have no way of knowing or influencing the match between
that wand and Harry. No match between a wand and wizard is influenced
by anything but the wand and the wizard themselves. It is clear as
soon as Harry touches the wand that it truly does match Harry, so
there was no trickery in getting him to take it.

People wonder how Dumbledore can possible know as much as he appears
to know. I think that is a combination of things. First, he is an old
and wise man, with time and experience comes wizdom. Amoung other
things, the wizdom to see the folly of younger men. Even at my age, I
see young people doing things that they are convinced are the right
and reasonable things to do, but with my experience and an endless
list of my own mistakes, I can see how misguided they are. In
situations like this, for the most part, the best you can do is step
back and let them learn the lessons the hard way. 

So, Dumbledore appears to know a lot simply because he is wise and
experience. His old eyes see with a different perspective than young
innocent eyes. It's similar to the way your parents seem to have some
magical knowledge of your activities when you've done something wrong.
 Of course, partly they are guessing, but mostly it's knowing you, and
having been there themselves. 

Next, I think Dumbledore has a strong active intuition. He senses
things and is able to use his wisdom, experience, and his intuitive
sense to reach very likely conclusions about events.

With the wisdom of age and a strong intuitive sense, I think he has a
keen awareness of the world around him. To some extent, that's how he
knew Harry and Ron were in Hargrid's hut hidden under the invisibility
cloak. He may not be able to actually see them, but knowing human
nature, and knowing Harry and his friend combined with a strong
intuitive sense and a keen awareness of his surroundings allows
Dumbledore to look directly at the spot where Harry is standing hidden
under the invisibility cloak.

So what's my point, I think Dumbledore could have had a strong
intuitive sense about the future; almost like a premonition of what
would happen. A premonition really is intuitive, it doesn't come with
a lot of details. It's more of a feeling than a thought. So this
premonition of the need for a Phoenix wand in the future could have
lead him to commissioning it, and he could have done that before or
after Harry was born.

Note that Ollivander owled Dumbledore immediately when Harry was
matched to that wand. That indicates that this match was a very
significant event, and could easily have been an event that Dumbledore
sensed was coming. If it were just a point of curiousity, Ollivander
would have waited until the next convinient moment to casually mention
it to Dumbledore. So, this particular match of wand as wizard was
expected, to some extent, and it was considered very significant by
all concerned.

So, after all this rambling, to some extent, I am agreeing with you;
it is very possible that Dumbledore has a hand in more than we have
been priviledge to see. But at the same time, I have to concede that
Dumbledore has no power to force these things to happen. All, he can
do it try to prepare the way for Harry, and hope that the bits and
pieces fall into place.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn