FUDGE IS A DE!!!! my mistake

[maneelyfh]

No: HPFGUIDX 78774

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "maneelyfh" <maneelyfh at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Carolina <silmariel at t...> 
wrote:
> > > Severus:
> > 
> > >  Didn't he also feel
> > > joy during or soon after his dreams when LV was inflicting pain
> > > or death on some one?  Wasn't LV's happiness or anger projected
> > > to Harry through these dreams?  If I remember correctly, these
> > > facts point to Unbridge being a DE without a doubt.  How else
> > > would you explain, the pain of Harry's scar and his stomach
> > > feeling, (the same symptoms of LV) for close contact with
> > > Umbridge?  She must be A DE <snip>
> > 
> > I think it's related to Sturgis Podmore. UK version.
> > 
> > 31 Aug, the night Sturgis is captured, 'Without warning, the scar 
> on 
> > his forehead seared with pain again', he sleeps bad and he still 
> > notices the scar in the morning. Here we have a motive for Voldie 
> > proyecting  feelings. (162)
> > 
> > Umbridge touches him on Tuesday 3 September (241), on Thursday 
she 
> > *examines herself* (244) and IMO she touches him to do that. It 
is 
> > on Friday, 'after night has fallen' , 'as she took hold of him to 
> > examine' (that's why I think 'examine' stands for touch on 
> > Thursday), when Harry's scar hurts and he has 'a most peculiar 
> > sensation'. (247)
> > 
> > The next morning, Sturgis sentence to Azkaban reachs the news 
> (258). 
> > We also have a motive for Voldie proyecting feelings the night 
> > before.
> > 
> > silmariel
> 
> Yeah, when Harry reflects back on his scar hurting at grimwald 
would 
> have been the the time that Podmore was trying to get the prophecy. 
> While remembering this, Harry thinks that LV was happy at the time. 
> LV had to have known between aug 31 and the Umbridge pain that 
> Podmore had been caught thus foiling his plan.
> Also " she took hold of him to examine...." so indeed she did touch 
> him.
> 
> Fudge is as deceptive as Verbal Kent in the movie the Usual 
Suspects 
> which is a great movie btw, a little violent but really good.

Mea culpa,Mea culpa!  The above is totally wrong....must have been 
the wine at dinner.
Scar pain at Grimwalld:
LV angry
Podmore was caught
Harry feels the anger
Scar pain with Umbridge:
LV is happy.
Harry is being tortured by Umbridge.
Harry feels LV's happiness.
I dont think it had to do with Podmore getting sentenced to Azkaban 
as LV would have know this before the time of the scar pain and 
Umbrige.

Like to add, IMVeryHO, LV was using Umbridge to get Harry out of 
Hogwarts.  If Harry had run away or been expelled, then Harry would 
be free game to LV making it easier for LV to use Harry to get the 
prophecy, or kill Harry.
Harry is the only one other than Lee Jordan to get her special 
dentention,  Griffyndor barely was allowed to play Quidditch. Harry 
was suspended for "life" from quidditch. Hedwig seems to be the only 
owl Umbridge tries to intercept.

Fran