Bang! You're Dead. (was:Voldemorts animus...)

[Berit Jakobsen]

No: HPFGUIDX 86228

Kneazy wrote:
 
> Hmm. So  by your reading of the canon Harry should start volume 6
> in  Azkaban. He has used an unforgivable curse, hasn't he?
But  we both know that this won't  happen.

Berit replies:

Pity :-) For Harry's sake I'm glad he wasn't landed in Azkaban, but 
he should really have been confronted with what he did, because it 
was a serious offense. I guess because of Harry's despair having lost 
Sirius and almost getting killed by Voldie Dumbledore "let him off 
the hook" for now (it's also possible, I guess, that no one else than 
Bellatrix knows what Harry tried to do since there were no eye 
witnesses at the time...). But hopefully Harry will come to realize 
later what he did and learn from his mistake.


Kneazy:

It's also canon that unforgivable curses were used by Aurors in old 
Barty's
> day. Not a very popular character, I'll agree, but he was 
organising the 
> fight for the survival of a free WW. The canon reads as if only 
Aurors were 
> permitted to use the curses, though I doubt if Barty would have 
made a 
> fuss if one were used in self defence.
> The majority of the WW weren't comfortable with it, but accepted 
that it
> was the only effective way to fight back. Until Godrics Hollow 
Voldy was
> *winning*. 
> Note also that Moody was supposed to be the star Auror. Is he evil 
or
> stricken with a conscience that makes him run around chanting "Mea 
culpa?"
> No. It's also canon that the old Order had other Aurors as members. 
Didn't
> seem to bother Dumbledore much, so far as I can see. As the epitome 
of
> goodness you would expect him to take an immovable moral stand, but 
I 
> can't find any evidence of this. Moody is mentioned as one of his 
oldest
> friends, not an untouchable pariah who participated in Dark Magic.


Berit replies:

But are there any canon evidence to suggest that the majority of WW 
accepted that it was a necessary "evil" that the Aurors used the 
unforgivables (I can believe this though; the majority very often go 
with the flow...)? Any canon to suggest that the old Order found it 
okay? And where's the canon evidence Dumbledore DIDN'T object? He 
objected to the Ministry being in league with Dementors... I can't 
see how using the unforgivables is any better than befriending those 
foul creatures... And I think you must have overlooked the quotes 
Geoff wrote out a few messages ago where Sirius of all people told 
Harry: 

(GoF p. 457 UK edition): 

"Terror everywhere.... panic.... confusion... that's how it used to 
be. Well, things like that bring out the best in some people and the 
worst in others. Crouch's principles might've been good in the 
beginning - I wouldn't know. He rose quickly through the Ministry
and he started ordering very harsh measures against Voldemort's 
supporters. The Aurors were given new powers - powers to kill
rather than capture for instance. And I wasn't the only one who was 
handed straight to the Dementors without trial. Crouch fought 
violence with violence and authorised the use of the Unforgiveable 
Curses against suspects. I would say he became as ruthless and cruel 
as many on the Dark side." 

And:
"I'll say this for Moody, though, he never killed if he could help. 
Always brought people in alive where possible. He was tough but he 
never descended to the level of the Death Eaters." (GoF p.462)

When a rash and potentially violent character like Sirius saw the 
problems of Crouch's decision, forcing his Aurors to "descend to the 
level of Death Eaters", do you really think Dumbledore didn't object? 
If so I want to know when, according to canon, Dumbledore started to 
become more "blood-thirsty" than Sirius :-))

Berit