Overturning the prophecy (was Re: Choices)?

[Kristen]

No: HPFGUIDX 86539

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sophierom" <sophierom at y...> 
wrote:
> Iris:
> <snip>I would like to see Harry doing the same in his last 
> confrontation
> with Voldemort, if there's a final duel and if he manages to get the
> upper hand: renouncing to kill him, and making that blasted prophecy
> lie. Not because he's afraid of what he might become if he did, but
> simply because he learned the lesson Tom Riddle was unable to
> understand: there's metaphysically no difference between human
> beings.<snip>
> 
> Sophierom:
> 
> Iris, I really like this idea. There is something very appealing 
> about Harry choosing not to kill LV even when he could ... but then 
> how does JKR end the series? It's hardly likely LV would give up 
the 
> chance to kill Harry, so if Harry takes the high road, he'll be 
> confronting LV all his life, and, as the prophecy suggests, that 
> wouldn't really be much of a life at all. 
> 
> There's been this idea floating around the list that Harry might 
not 
> die at the end of the series, but instead lose his powers and 
become 
> a muggle for the rest of his life (I believe Marianne mentions this 
> in post #85158).  What if, instead, there were someway that Harry 
> could cause LV to lose his powers, thereby defeating him without 
> killing him? Granted, this goes completely against the prophesy, 
> which clearly states that "either must die at the hand of the other 
> for neither can live while the other survives" (OOTP, UK ed. 741). 
> But, as Iris has suggested, maybe Harry has the power to make "that 
> blasted prophecy lie" (post #86512). 
> 
> Also, what I find so interesting is that the prophecy uses the 
> word "vanquish" instead of "kill". IMO, "vanquish" 
connotes "subdue" 
> or "suppress" more than "murder" or "destroy". So, perhaps if the 
> prophecy IS correct, Harry might "subdue" LV first, somehow taking 
> away LV's powers ... and then the very idea of living as a hated 
> muggle will be enough to make Voldie die on the spot.  Okay, I 
> admit, that's a sort of cheap way out of the whole thing ... any 
> ideas about ways that Harry could take the high road but still live 
> in a Voldie free world? Or do you think that Harry must kill LV in 
> order to go on with the rest of his life? Sorry if this has been 
> discussed before. But if not, I'm looking forward to reading 
> your thoughts ... though unfortunately not through Legilimency, as 
I 
> will always be a muggle!
> 
> Sophierom, who promises to end the cheesiness, right now.

Madeyesgal:

How about this? A battle between LV and Harry ensues. Harry manages 
to disarm LV and retrieves his wand. Defenseless, LV calls upon a 
nearby dementor to kill Harry. Harry conjures up his Patronus and 
fends off the dementor. Foiled, disappointed and looking for a 
victim, the dementor turns to the defenseless LV. Harry, watches the 
dementor administer the kiss without lifting a wand to stop it. So, 
Harry doesn't lose his powers or kill LV, but LV is vanquished and no 
longer a threat to anyone ever again. Frankly, I think this is a 
great ending! 

JKR are you reading this?

Madeyesgal (who is still hoping that Snape turns out to be a hero)