THe nature of the Unforgivables(was Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bang! You're dead.)

[Angel Moules]

No: HPFGUIDX 86555

On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 03:23, justcarol67 wrote: 
"Never used an unforgiveable before, have you, boy?" she yelled. . . . 
"You need to *mean* them, Potter! You need to really want to cause
pain--to enjoy it. . . . I'll show you how it is done, shall I? I'll
give you a lesson---" (OoP 810 Am. Ed.)

Bellatrix herself especially enjoys using the CC, but she indicates
that *all* of the unforgiveables, even the Imperius curse, require a
will to harm the other person. If that's true, and I see no reason to
doubt the word of an expert, we can pretty much eliminate any
benevolent or morally neutral uses for it. It would require the will
to dominate the other person, and not for that person's benefit. And
AK would require killing for pleasure, in which case Sirius and Remus
could not have used it against Peter, no matter how great their rage
toward him for his betrayal. Or would Sirius, at least, have derived a
grim pleasure from it, deranged as he was? I think it would have
driven him over the brink to full-fledged insanity.

Angel:
I don't think that they would have used AK on Peter. Diffindio on his
neck, perhaps?

But this raises an interesting question. In Moody's lesson he talks
about using AK, and said he wouldn't get a nosebleed if the whole class
did it. If Neville had had the torture of his parents uppermost in his
mind and all the hatred at Crouch, could he have killed Moody, at that
point, because of it?

The question is also whether LV was casting AK at DD with enough force
to kill at the end of OOTP, which might explain the apparent ability of
DD to block the spells, if they weren't enough to kill

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