Overturning the prophecy (was Re: Choices)?

Kristen jkscherme at adelphia.net
Sat Dec 6 19:59:57 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 86604

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Derek Hiemforth <derek at r...> 
wrote:
> >Madeyesgal:
> >
> >How about this? A battle between LV and Harry ensues. Harry 
manages 
> >to disarm LV and retrieves his wand. Defenseless, LV calls upon a 
> >nearby dementor to kill Harry. Harry conjures up his Patronus and 
> >fends off the dementor. Foiled, disappointed and looking for a 
> >victim, the dementor turns to the defenseless LV. Harry, watches 
the 
> >dementor administer the kiss without lifting a wand to stop it. 
So, 
> >Harry doesn't lose his powers or kill LV, but LV is vanquished and 
no 
> >longer a threat to anyone ever again. Frankly, I think this is a 
> >great ending!
> 
> Derek:
> The rub here, though, is that the prophecy says that "either must
> die at the hand of the other."  If a Dementor killed LV, then he
> wouldn't have died at Harry's hand.
> 
> In fact, it might even be read as meaning that one will kill the
> other *physically* in some way instead of via spell.  If Harry is
> in fact descended from Godric Gryffindor (and I suspect he is,
> given the "Godric's Hollow" name of his parent's home), I wouldn't
> be too surprised if he were to slay LV with Gryffindor's sword...
> 
> Derek

madeyesgal:

Derek:

Suppose the prophecy isn't correct. Free will always plays into 
future events, especially when the outcome is supposed to be known. 
Harry can vanquish Voldemort, which would be a fate worse than death 
to Voldemort. In OOTP there is a conversation between Dumbledore and 
Voldemort:

"There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!"  LV

"You are quite wrong... Indeed your failure to understand that there
are things much worse than death has always been your greatest
weakness-" DD

In my scenario, Harry does nothing to stop the dementor from 
destroying Voldemort. Voldemort is still alive...Dementors do not 
kill, just suck out the soul; leaving a souless hull of a body to 
live without hope. 

>From what I've been reading in many of the discussions regarding the 
prophecy, most readers are not convinced that the prophecy is 
accurate or interpreted accurately. It's entirely possible that 
Neville is the prophesied Voldemort destroyer. Maybe he's killed 
during the fight and Harry actually defeats Voldemort in the manner I 
suggested earlier. 

There are many ways to end this story without killing Harry and still 
fulfill the prophecy (and remember it's Trellawny who prophesied it 
in the first place...she could be a little fuzzy about the facts.) 

And...Harry could kill LV with Gryffindor's sword. Your ending is as 
good an any other.

Madeyesgal (convinced that Snape will turn out to be a hero)








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