Red robes green eyes, green robes red eye

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 86656

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "siriusxisxmyxlover"
<siriusxisxmyxlover at y...> wrote:
> Okay, we know in the HP world the good guy wear red and the bad guys
> wear green.  But... hold on... doesn't Harry have green eyes... and
> wait a minute... doesn't Voldie have red eyes? Ummm hmm! ...edited...
> 
> ...  a little detail that clues us in that Harry does have Voldie 
> inside of him, essentially he is Voldie ...edited... so I think the 
> eyes are telling us that Voldie and Harry are the same, but it is 
> their choices that make them very different, but they do have it 
> inside both of them to go the other way.  
> 
> ...edited..  It is all about the choices we make, that ultimately 
> Harry will make, and Voldemort has already made. So just a little 
> interesting flip-flop tidbit I thought someone might enjoy. 
> 

bboy_mn:

Also, note that, in addition to the many points you made, the killing
curse is green, and the Stunning Curse is red.

I think what we are seeing is an intricate interplay of contrast and
similarities; a little tapastry that JKR weaves so very well.
Although, were it is all going, I can't tell, but I speculate that
when we learn the significants of Harry having his mother's eyes
(green) this interplay will finally make sense.

In a past post, I said that JKR uses moral ambiguity in her story.
Although, it was pointed out that perhaps ambiguity was not the
correct term, my point was that even good and evil are intertwined in
a way that is not black and white, but varying shades of gray.

Harry and many other characters are this way, they are not Brady Bunch
good nor are the completely Snidely Whiplash bad (an amazing number of
people actually know who Snidely Whiplash is). Harry does bad things,
but in a wider perspective, he is basically and consistantly good.
Voldemort may at some point show some element of humanity, but from a
broad perspective, he is very evil. Harry does things that are
techically wrong/bad/illegal, yet he does them for morally sound
reasons and for the greater good. Again, we are seeing the interplay
of opposites and similarities.

 
> siriusxisxmyxlover:
>
> ... since all purebloods are inter-related, no matter how distant, 
> couldn't Voldie, Sirius, and Harry all be extreme distant relations 
> of Salazar Slytherin AND Godric Gryffindor since pure bloods have 
> had to inter-marry so much and they are all related somehow. .... 
> Wait a minute!  Is it possible that Dumbledore is an ancestor of 
> Slytherin. If he's pureblood he's got to be.  And the Weasly's too. 
> I feel though that these relationships are way too distant to be 
> actual heirs.  
> 

bboy_mn:

Thoughts alone this line have been discussed extensively. I say that
not to imply that you are covering old ground, but simply to confirm
that this is a popular and well analysed idea. You are not alone in
this belief.

I don't fully understand where this is going in the story, but I am
convinced that before the story ends, we will find great significants
in who is related to whom. Exactly which who is related to which whom,
I don't know, but undoubtedly some very important who is related to
some equally important whom. Perhaps even several inter-related 'whos'
and 'whoms'.


> siriusxisxmyxlover:
>
> ..., at the Ministry of Magic ... duel in OOTP, Dumbledore calls 
> Voldie Tom and Voldie does not object.  ...edited...
> 

bboy_mn:

I think calling Voldie 'Tom' was part of head game Dumbledore is
playing on Voldemort. In a sense, it is a move on Dumbledore's part to
undermine the Dark Lord's confidence. Dumbledore is saying, 'to the
world you may be the one so feared his name is never spoken, but we
both know you're just Tom Riddle; Tom 'half-blood' Riddle. We both
know this is just a sad sick game you are playing, and we both know
you can fool everyone but yourself'. Like I said, it's a head game
that undermines Voldemort by acknowledging him as nothing more that a
poor schoolboy gone astray. 


> siriusxisxmyxlover:
>
> ...  one more thing ... REALLY bugging me.  Ollivander knows that 
> Voldie has Harry's brother wand, however, Voldie bought it before 
> he was Voldie, when he was just Tom, Ollivander has got to know 
> about Voldie's past then, but how?  ... Is Ollivander close with 
> DBD?  Is Ollivander close with VDM?  Can we trust Ollivander?  Has
> anyone pondered this before?  
> 
> "siriusxisxmyxlover"

bboy_mn:

You will find very little that hasn't been pondered her before, but we
never let that stop us from pondering it again. 

I am very convinced that Ollivander is a true die-hard unwavering
Dumbledore supporter. Remember, the Ollivander family has been in
business since (something like) 383 B.C.; nearly 2400 years. That's a
long time to hold a respected and trusted position in the wizard world. 

Being close to and trusted by Dumbledore, I think he and Dumbledore
may have, on various occassions, discussed the Voldemort/Riddle
connection. It seems that both Ollivander and Dumbledore were very
concerned by who would eventually receive the 'brother' wand, and that
fact that it was Harry who received it, made it doubly important. 

I think Ollivander would have reported the purchase of the Brother
Wand regardless of who purchased it, but the significance of the fact
that the wand chose Harry, was not lost on Ollivander. He contacted
Dumbledore immediately. That would have been Dumbledore's first clue,
upon Harry's return to the wizard world, that Harry was indeed
destined for great things.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn