Did voldemort mean to allow the DEs to be captured?

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 86886

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ghinghapuss" 
<rredordead at a...> wrote:
> Mandy here:
> First why in the world would Lucius Malfoy take such a huge risk 
in 
> being involved in the raid?  Think about it.  You have this very 
> powerful, highly politically connected, wealthy man who, imo has 
his 
> own designs on controlling the WW.  Be it from the inside or out.  
> Why the hell would he risk being exposed by participating in the 
raid 
> at all????  He has so much to lose it's ridiculous. 

Jen R: Lucius covers every angle. He's the one with the back-up plan-
-he's playing both sides. He's not a loyal DE, nor a loyal Order 
member, but he has ways to be "useful" to both sides, and they in 
turn, are useful for him. Lucius gave something up to participate in 
the raid, with a long-term goal that he will gain something in the 
end--what those things are, I can only guess (well, all this is 
speculation, really <g>). Lucius will get out of Azkaban rather 
easily and 'return' to LV, but the trap is laid and Lucius is going 
to make certain LV is headed toward the final curtain call. 

Mandy:
If he is even 
> suspected of being connected with the Dark Lord he looses all 
> credibility with in the Ministry.  Fudge and others would sever 
all 
> contact with him to protect their interests. Those Lucius has 
under 
> the Imperious would become suspect for continuing to support him.  
> Lucius would fall into powerlessness. Something he would never 
> willingly accept.

Jen R: Now this gives me another idea--what if Lucius'second 
connection is not with the Order but the MOM? Then he would 
definitely place himself in a position of power, if he's working 
with Fudge in an attempt to overthrow both the Order and LV! He may 
have even alerted Fudge to the fact LV is back, but been behind the 
scenes orchestrating the trail of mishaps that the Order members and 
DE's were both prone to througout OOTP. Lucius led the failed 
attempt to obtain the Prophecy, perhaps inadvertently aiding the 
Order in luring LV to the MOM?

Mandy: 
> Of course the DE's expected to be successful and pull of a quick 
get 
> in, make Harry lift off the orb, deliver both orb and boy to the 
Dark 
> Lord and get out.  But we're talking about the Ministry of Magic!  
> Even if they were successful don't you think there would be way of 
> tracing who was inside?  Some sort of magical eye/camera? OK maybe 
> not.  The Ministry seems to have a lack of security, even the 
Order 
> can run around inside guarding doors and spying on every one else 
> unnoticed.

Jen R: It was just *too* easy, wasn't it? They had inside help. You 
know who I'm betting on! Lucius can certainly buy off a few security 
guards or Fudge willingly assisted him. And if the DE's are so 
competent they managed to raid the MOM alone and overthrow security 
measures, then I find it hard to believe they couldn't handle the 
kids.

Jen, certain Lucius is up to something fishy but can only speculate 
as to what that might be...