Whoa Nelly! Lots of Snape, was Harry in NEWT Potions Class?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 87712

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Pip!Squeak:
> Ooh, I love this scene. It's the one in GoF, Ch 28, p. 484 (UK 
> edition). I love it because, after reading this scene for the first 
> time, every reader I know (including me, on the first reading) will 
> come away and, with their hands on their hearts, inform you quite 
> seriously that Snape delayed Harry. If it hadn't been for Snape 
> being such a git, Crouch Sr. might have been saved.
> 
> But, even if you think Snape didn't know Dumbledore would be out 
> soon -  20 odd seconds versus the time Harry would have taken to 
not 
> find Dumbledore in the staff room? Before Harry and Dumbledore 
> reached the scene of the crime, Barty Jr had time to carry his 
> father's corpse into the Forbidden Forest and cover it with his 
> Invisibility Cloak, then return to the scene and talk to 
> Dumbledore . Those twenty odd seconds of Snape talk made no 
> difference whatsoever. 
> 
> And if Snape had not interfered, Harry would have caused an even 
> longer delay in getting back to Crouch Sr, by looking for 
Dumbledore 
> in the wrong place.
> 
>

It was you, Pip! See, yesterday, when I wrote this post, I remebered 
someone defending Snape in this scene, bud did not want to mention 
you again without being sure. :o)

Sorry, not buying for a second. I have to reread this scene and maybe 
I will eat my words, but as far as I remember there is no evidence 
that Snape even knew that Dumbledore was in his office.

> The idea that `Snape hates Harry because of James' isn't actually 
> canon. It's a theory.  `Snape hates James' is canon. `Snape is 
> deeply unpleasant to Harry' is canon. We don't actually know 
whether 
> Snape is unpleasant to Harry because he hates him. There may be 
> another reason.

I would say that after OoP 'Snape hates Harry because of James" is 
pretty much canon . If you could come up with other name for "Snape 
discontinuing lessons with Harry because he saw how his father 
bullied Snape knowing full well what danger it could be for Harry and 
all parties involved", I would love to hear it. :o)


> This stern parent, whilst verbally abusive, only once causes Harry 
> actual harm (under the extreme provocation of the Pensieve incident 
> in Occlumency). Otherwise, his sarcasm is generally directed 
towards 
> the idea of `there are rules, you are not above them, you are here 
> to learn and I will teach you whether you want to learn or not'. 
> 
 
Under extreme provocation? Only once caused Harry actual harm? Stern 
parent role? I'd say more like "victim, who outlived his school 
bullies and turned bully towards the son of one of them" role.

I think that this last time  the harm was pretty substantial, don't 
you think?
I also think that Snape hurt him a lot over the years and  I'll leave 
it at that, because I may say something harsh, which I will defnitely 
regret later and I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators.

Alla