Hagrid's death / Giants [WAS]Re: Will Hagrid die at the hands of his own mother?

[vojoca <vojoca@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 51747

Snuffles wrote:

> 
> <whines> NO NO NO NO NO. Hagrid cannot die. Period. If Hagrid dies 
I will 
> lose a part of my wittle ickle soul. ;)
> 
> With that out of the way....
> 
> I have often thought that the only reasonable death of Hagrid would 
be at the 
> hands of his own mum. However, until Madam Maxime admits to her 
> Giantess-ness, I will not be satisfied with this theory. She 
infuriated me by 
> denying to my beloved Hagird who and what she is. I do not want to 
see Hagrid 
> die. Literally, I think I will cry my eyes out and burn the book, 
which is of 
> course, why I have ordered three English copies- just in case. But, 
at this 
> point, within the discussion groups Hagrid is considered most 
likely to meet 
> an untimely demise. 
> 
> But, I *do* think that if Hargid is our dead man in Book five, he 
must return 
> as a ghost. He has a duty to Harry. That alone is unfinished 
business.... 
> Hagrid rescued Harry from the house of Lily and James. Hagrid 
rescued Harry 
> from the Dursleys and delivered the Hogwarts letter... Hagrid feels 
he has an 
> obligation to Harry and he will see it through.
> 



Now me:

<dramatically holding back tears>  :-p

Please don't let Hagrid die. Please, please, please, 
pleasepleaseplease.  I hope and pray and hope and pray and hope and 
pray some more that Hagrid will live through all seven books. <hopes 
and prays some more>

But seriously...I agree with Snuffles that Hagrid has a duty to 
Harry.  And if Hagrid *does* die sometime in the series (not 
necessarily in book 5) I really, really, *really* want it to be a 
heroic death.  Hagrid, the half-giant who had potential to be a fully 
qualified wizard but was framed by Tom Riddle so had to settle for 
being the grounds keeper of Hogwarts and is shunned and then shot 
down by Madame Maxime but through all his hardships still has a good 
heart....*dies a heroic death.*  I *love* how that sounds.  Please, 
if he has to die, please let his death be heroic, and make all those 
people (especially Madame Maxime) realize that Hagrid was awesome.


On a different note:  You know how Hagrid has that obsession with 
animals/creatures that are known to be dangerous?  How he loves them 
to death and all that?  Has anyone else thought that he sort of looks 
at them as himself?  Like they're "not dangerous, they're 
misunderstood" kind of thing.  Just like he's not dangerous, he's 
just misunderstood.  Take his relationship with the giant spider 
Aragog;  it's almost like the relationship he has with Dumbledore, 
only Aragog is *Hagrid* and Hagrid is *Dumbledore*.  (does that make 
sense?)  If you look at the two of them, it's like...I can't think of 
the right word right now, but look:

Dumbledore associates with/takes care of people that the rest of the 
world think are dangerous and wouldn't even *think* of associating 
with:  a werewolf, a half-giant, an former death-eater, and (hardly 
anyone in the WW knows but if they found out there would be havoc) a 
known convict, etc.

Now look at Hagrid, who loves all those creatures like Fluffy, 
Buckbeak, Norbert and Aragog.   The rest of the world think those are 
dangerous too, and wouldn't go near them.  It's like...Hagrid is the 
Dumbledore of magical outcasted animals!  :-p  

I wonder if the animals we've seen Hagrid take care of have any 
parallels with the people Dumbledore takes care of
.
Hagrid is Aragog? (they're both
giant?  And IIRC Aragog speaks highly 
of Hagrid in COS and all that)
Snape is Buckbeak? (Proud, easily offended and you can't get near it 
unless it lets you)
Sirius Black is Fluffy? (Dogs
Fluffy guarding the stone/Sirius 
guarding Harry?)  
That leaves Lupin is Norbert the Dragon?  (Maybe the Potion he takes 
has dragon blood in it or something
)

All that, of course, is from my crazy mind, and I just thought of 
them on the spot, so it's probably nothing.  

Anyway, back to the subject of Hagrid dying, *cringe* I think he 
should die a hero.  I don't want him to come back as a ghost, because 
I want him to finally be at peace when he dies even if he has to die 
a violent death *cringe*, I don't want him to die by accident, I 
don't want him to die like Cedric ("kill the spare" *cringe*), I 
don't want his mother to kill him, simply because I don't want to 
read about *any* mother killing their own child.  I *really* don't 
want his mother to kill him....Unless...*eyes widen as a sudden 
thought enters her mind* unless...she kills him before she knew he 
was her son.  Then whoever Hagrid was with (Madam Maxime or 
whatever)  screams "HAGRID!!"  and Fridwulfa hears it...and 
remembers, "oh, my gosh, my son's name was Hagrid!" Then after closer 
inspection of Hagrid, she sees that it WAS her son that she 
killed....and she is so very sorry, realizes her huge mistake and 
therefore goes and helps Dumbledore and the crowd.  So Hagrid dies, 
but he dies a hero and the giants go and help Dumbledore.  

But I still don't want him to die by his mom.  *types faster as 
another thought pops into her mind*  Because really...IIRC I read 
somewhere in the Lexicon that Giants were fighting/warring amongst 
*themselves* until Voldemort got them to fight on his side.  The fear 
everyone has of giants stems from fear and prejudice to begin with, 
and heightened when they fought on Voldemort's side
 Also, in GOF 
Chapter 36 Dumbledore tells Fudge to "extend them the hand of 
friendship, now, before it is too late." and goes on to say that the 
reason the giants sided with Voldemort was because Voldy promised 
them their rights and freedom...So....it seems like...the giants are 
yet another misunderstood people
What they wanted was simple: rights 
and freedom.  Voldy promised them that, so they sided with 
him....they obviously showed some loyalty to him by doing what he 
told them to
and Hagrid *must* have inherited some of his mother's 
traits...and he's so very loyal to Dumbledore....can that be 
connected somehow?  *gasps* maybe Hagrid uses that to convince his 
mother and/or the other giants!  That since Dumbledore took care of 
*him*, Dumbledore would take care of *them* or something like that...

These giants....it seems to me that they pretty much leave you alone 
if you leave them alone.  The only time (that I know of) that they 
showed violence to humans was after Voldy told them that he would 
give them their rights and freedoms...

I'm gonna stop there for now, before this becomes a novel.  I didn't 
expect my reply to be this long *laughs*  I really hope people can 
understand this.  =)



vojoca
-who's very sorry for rambling