Spymaster without Dishwasher

[pippin_999 <foxmoth@qnet.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 51840

Tom said:
> But it doesn't *matter.* Dumbledore can *still* be a spymaster, 
and
> he can still be working behind the scenes to send 
misinformtion to
> Lord Voldemort. All of the basics of Magic Dishwasher can 
remain
> intack without assuming that Dumbledore had any control over 
events
> in the Shrieking Shack.

Melody:
>>So I ask. What misinformation (from precious canon) is 
Dumbledore
feeding Voldemort? There is no say of precise misinformation, 
so you
must be trying to say you are "inferring" that he is. After all,
there is no canon proof he has in fact done such an act.<<

Not quite sure what you are asking for here, but if it is other 
examples from Canon that Dumbledore is using misinformation, 
consider Karkaroff:

"He did a deal with the Ministry of Magic," said Sirius bitterly."He 
said he'd seen the error of his ways, and then he named 
names...he put a load of other people in Azkaban in his place..." 
--GoF ch. 19

"Why do you think Karkaroff fled tonight? We both felt the Mark 
burn. We both knew he had returned. Karkaroff fears the Dark 
Lord's vengeance. He betrayed too many of his fellow Death 
Eaters to be sure of a welcome back into the fold." --GoF, ch. 36

But we see in the Pensieve chapter that Karkaroff named only 
one name, Rookwood, and it wasn't enough to get him out of 
Azkaban. He was on his way back there when the scene faded 
out. And Rookwood's name led, as far as we can tell from 
Dumbledore's memories, only to Ludo Bagman  and other 
well-placed wizards  who had no idea that their information was 
getting back to Voldemort.

So why was Karkaroff released? Why is Karkaroff so furious with 
Dumbledore and the Ministry when his student is attacked? 
Does he think that Crouch is  going back on the deal? That he, 
Karkaroff,  is  not receiving the protection he was promised, in 
return for being the person who took credit for putting loads of 
DE's in Azkaban?

 Who *are* all the Death Eaters Karkaroff is supposed to have 
put in Azkaban? Maybe the ones he tried to betray: Travers, 
Mulciber and Dolohov. But dear me, someone had outed them 
already. Who could that have been? Severus Snape, I'd say. But 
Sirius, who has apparently been all through those old trial 
records Fudge talks about, doesn't know that Karkaroff only 
outed Rookwood. In fact, it seems that Fudge himself doesn't 
even know that Severus Snape was a DE until his big scene in 
GoF.

We know that Crouch doesn't scruple to use  memory charms 
--could it be that Karkaroff's testimony in the Pensieve scene 
was stricken from the record in a very permanent way?

Suppose that thanks to misinformation, Voldemort  thinks 
it's Karkaroff who betrayed the DE's and has left them forever. 
Suppose Dumbledore wants Voldemort to believe  that Snape 
was loyal enough not to   give up any names but was too 
cowardly to seek his Master in Albania or help Quirrell steal the 
Stone?

Now if that's true, it gives Snape a very good motive for his 
behavior in the  Shack which is not about the Rat at all. Snape 
believes that  Sirius and Lupin are DE's, and therefore it's a good 
possibility that one of them might be able to out him as a DE 
too...and he's desperate to make sure they don't. *That's* why he 
won't allow them to talk.

 He's perfectly happy to let Lupin go on and on about the old 
days, though he might have mentioned at any time what the 
Animagus forms were, but as soon as the subject turns to 
Severus Snape, he reveals himself, takes control of the 
conversation and doesn't let Sirius or Lupin get in another word.

It also provides a non-Dishwasher explanation of  why Snape 
and Dumbledore won't allow the kids to talk in the Hospital Wing 
in PoA. They can't be sure what the kids were told after Snape 
was knocked out--and  they don't want  Fudge to find out that 
Snape was a DE. (Sirius could have heard this in Azkaban, so 
Dumbledore doesn't have to share Snape's belief that Sirius and 
Lupin are DE's)

 Snape plants the story that the kids were confunded, just to 
make sure. Note that when Snape finally reveals his Dark Mark 
in GoF, Dumbledore does nothing to indicate to Fudge that he 
already knew about it.

Pippin
who thinks that not wishing to believe a theory is  a perfectly 
good reason to argue against it--isn't that the heart and soul of 
the Shipping Debates? And who will do an Evil!Lupin take on 
Tom's recent post when she gets a round tooit.