SHIP: What did Hermione Know and When did she Know It?

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Derannimer wrote:
>>2. Hermione doesn't like Ron. (Not that way, I mean.)
This question has already been argued *a lot,* and I don't know 
what more I have to say about it.<< 

Angua wrote:
>>Yes, yes, I know -- all the stuff with Fleur, and the thing with 
Padma, and the troll thing, and the "took you three years to notice" 
thing and the "next time ask me first" thing, and all the blushing --
they all have possible alternate explanations, don't they?  It's 
just a long series of COINCIDENCES that give the ILLUSORY 
impression that Hermione likes Ron that way, no doubt as a red 
herring for the inevitable soul-match of H/H.  ;) Nothing that would 
fool a *deep* reader, of course!  The fact that the H-->R evidence 
is sooo similar in style to the R-->H evidence is just another 
attempt by JKR to fool us, tricky wench that she is.<<


I should hope she is tricky us into thinking something may happen 
between Ron and Hermione and then do the old switcheroo on us and 
have Hermione and Harry together! :D


Derannimer wrote:
>> 3. But Hermione does dearly like Ron as a friend.Well, duh.
4. So she doesn't want to hurt him. 
5. It would hurt him to tell him she doesn't like him. And she isn't 
going to have that conversation without dying of sheer embarrassment 
anyway.<<

Angua wrote:
>>Uhh, the easiest way out of this situation is to have a different 
boyfriend.  If she's dating Krum, she can let Ron's hopes down 
without the embarrassment of "there's just something about you I 
don't like."  It's the obvious and simplest way to say no to 
someone, which is why it's so incredibly popular:  "I'm sorry, I'm 
going with someone else."  "I'm sorry, I'm married."  "I'm sorry, 
I'm busy that night."  It works great.<<

Derannimer wrote:
>>6. So, just as she and Ron pretended that the evening of the Yule 
Ball never happened, so she is going to continue pretending that he 
doesn't like her.  If she ignores it long enough, maybe it will just 
go away, and everything can be like it was, and she won't have to 
deal with this embarrassing situation.<<

Angua wrote:
>>Are we talking about Hermione Granger here?  She's not much of one 
for just ignoring things and hoping they will go away!  She's more 
the blunt confrontation and action-taking type.  *Ron* is the one 
who ignores things and hopes they will go away.
Haven't we ALL been in a similar situation at one time or another?  
When someone liked us and we didn't like them back?  The important 
thing to do is not to lead them on.  The sooner you make it clear 
you're not interested, the sooner they will get over it and move on 
to someone else.  Hermione has *such* an easy, obvious way to do 
that here.  Whatever degree of a relationship she has with Viktor, 
she can use it to give Ron the "no" message.  It should be easy for 
Ron to understand and believe that someone would prefer his big 
Quidditch hero to little old him.  But she doesn't do that.<<
 
Derannimer wrote:
>>7. So when he asks her about Krum, it is entirely natural that she 
dodges. It is utterly out of the question that she would "look him 
straight in the eye and tell him about Krum, giving him the bad 
news as soon as possible." She just can't do that.<<

Angua wrote:
>>I don't see why not.  She's had plenty of time to prepare for it 
and steel herself for the task.  She must know it's kinder in the 
long run.  Hermione is a sensible girl and she's well-known for 
giving the boys unpleasant truths.  She's an upfront kind of girl in 
general. If she's going to Bulgaria, she's going.  If she's not, 
she's not.  Either way, there's nothing to stop her from telling Ron 
and Harry about her plans for the summer.  She wouldn't have to 
openly acknowledge Ron's embarrassing feelings in any way.  It's 
just a FACT.<<


I have to agree with Derannimer, I don't think she wants to hurt 
him.  Although Hermoine is a confrontatoinal person, it doesn't 
necessarily mean she will be with this situation.  She doesn't want 
anything detrimental to sabotage their friendship. It was obvious 
that he is sensitive about things close to him when in PoA he 
wouldn't talk to her because Crookshanks "ate" Scabbers, a rat that 
he cared for dearly.  For him to find out that she doesn't like him 
from her mouth would be like stabbing him in the heart.  

I do agree with Angua, IF she doesn't like Ron, it'd be best to 
continue her relationship with Krum.  That is if she LIKES him 
enough to continue the relationship.  

She is definetely not one to lead someone on If she doesn't like 
Krum she would be confrontatoinal and tell Krum she doesn't like him 
b/c she doesn't have anything else at stake, ex. long-term 
friendship.

I think Hermione has changed a lot from SS to GoF.  She is just as 
outspoken as before, but has taken it to another level, particularly 
when she unexpectedly smacked Draco.  She is surprising us one way 
or another. :D


Derannimer: 
>>8. Anyway (Derannimer realizes suddenly that she could have 
answered this argument much more quickly) she *didn't* refuse to 
tell him. The first time, she was too embarrassed talking about 
Viktor to even notice Ron's question, and the second time, she's 
interupted by Snape.  And, IIRC, the question is never brought up 
again, by Ron or anyone else. So she didn't "refuse to tell him."<<

Angua wrote:
>>She avoids the question twice (I don't believe she "didn't notice" 
it).  She leaves Ron in suspense for the next six months, when she 
*knows* he has those feelings for her.  She could have told Harry, 
if she'd wanted to, trusting that Harry would tell Ron.  Or Ginny, 
for that matter.  I say she doesn't want Ron to know.  Just as she 
didn't want Ron to know the identity of her Yule Ball date.  She has 
a *reason* for keeping secrets, and I believe I know what that 
reason is.<<



I highly doubt Hermione would be sneaky enough to hint to Harry and 
Ginny she likes Ron, but then again she is surprising me every 
book.  

So Angua what are her reasons for keeping secrets.  I am dying to 
know!  lol

~Greicy,
Anxiously waiting Angua response! ;)