[HPforGrownups] Snape the Traitorous D.E. (WAS: Three Missing Death Eaters)

[SeventhSqueal]

No: HPFGUIDX 52882

 
 --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tom Wall <thomasmwall at y...>" > 
Snuffles pointed out:
> In GoF Voldemort states,
> "And here we have six missing 
> Death Eaters.... three dead in 
> my service. One too cowardly to 
> return...he will pay. One who 
> I believe has left me forever... 
> he will be killed, of course... 
> and one who remains my most 
> faithful servant, and who has 
> already reentered my service."
> - GoF paperback edition, pg. 651
> 
> To which Tom  replied:
> This has been driving me bonkers, 
> this one quote, all by itself. 


Now Meclaros aka Melpomene:

 The excellent DoubleAgent!Snape theory certainly allows for 
the possibility that V. can honestly see Snape as a loyal servant at 
the same time Dumbledore feels the same way about him. It could also 
explain why V. wouldn't mention his presence at the circle in the 
graveyard. If he was there, it would most likely not be prudent that 
the other DEs know that. I speculate that many, maybe all of them 
consider Snape a traitor to V. His obvious presence might not have 
gone over very well. You mention of Snape's conspicuous absence 
during the Third Task. I also wonder where he was and what was he up 
to during all the chaos. (I thought that was just me, I'm *always* 
wondering where Snape is and what he's up to.)
Barty Crouch Jr. is just too convenient. It's too neat a package.

(snip to continuation of passionate SnapeRant)

Professor Trelawny's (sorry this isn't going to 
be a perfect quote) comment about that "faithful servant" (there's 
that term again) being "chained these twelve years." So far we've 
speculated Black in Azkaban and Pettigrew in his Rat form for this 
topic. Has anyone suggested that Snape may be the one being referred 
to here? If V. still sees him as a faithful servant his being holed 
up with the enemy for 12 years could be seen as being chained. I know 
it's a stretch.

Now, I Truly Madly Deeply want the common reading of this quote to be 
true. A adore Snape and I *really want* Severus to be the "One who 
has left me forever" and who "will be killed, of course." Simply 
because I can not imagine JK allowing anything Voldemort says with 
such cold certainty to actually happen. IF those words do, in fact, 
refer to Severus Snape, I believe Rowling saved his life in writing 
them.


SeventhSqueal responds:

Hi, Melpomene, another rabid, batty Snapefan here.

IMO, the graveyard scene that graphs out the circle of the deatheaters can be taken at face value. All of those slots can be filled with names, now that Barty Jr. has been outed. Yes, IMO Snape is the "traitor" (and IMHO his traitorous like-unto-a-son protege)who has left Voldemort forever and will be killed of course.(I'd like to see him try it.) The dead Deatheaters might be resurrected or only mostly dead but let us hope and assume that JK Rowling has exhausted the "Surprise! I'm not really dead!" surprise endings in the Deatheater community.

This doesn't mean Snape is a good guy now, just because he ratted on Voldemort and appears to have defected beneath Dumbledore's wing. Oh, no my friend. He's biding his time along with Mr. Malfoy learning everything he can from Dumbledore. Do you realize that Snape has studied intimately with two of the most potent wizards of the age? He's amassed a HUGE amount of esoteric knowledge from them, as well as learned their weaknesses. Snape is only in his thirties. 

He is perfectly placed, like a keystone in an arch.

Unfortunately, Snape doesn't appear to be entirely loyal to Dumbledore either. He still withholds information from Headmaster. (Dumbledore withholds information from Snape, too, so Dumbledore is still suspicious of Snape.) His clandestine meeting with Quirrel in the forest is good evidence of this. Why wouldn't he have turned Quirrel in the moment he suspected that Quirrel was going for the stone? Snape isn't shy about telling Dumbledore when he thinks someone should be kicked out. He tried to prevent Lupin's assignment as DADA teacher and of course he wants Harry expelled. Yet, he didn't say a word to Dumbledore about Quirrell. He bypassed Dumbledore to personally threaten Quirrell in secret. He asked Quirrel to remember where his loyalties lie. If Snape is a traitorous DE, he's not talking about Voldemort. If Snape bypassed Dumbledore to threaten Quirrell, he wasn't talking about Dumbledore. I think Snape is talking about a third party or himself. 

This addresses another poster's question regarding Voldemort's overhearing the clandestine meeting between Snape and Quirrell in the forest. Yes he heard it, but he already knew that Snape doesn't wuv him any more. However, no names were named. Does Voldemort know that Quirrell was in collusion (loyal) with Snape on another project?

JK Rowling used Snape as the apparent 'Bad Guy' in both Sorcerer's Stone and again in Goblet of Fire. In both books it appears that Snape might be working in the interest of Voldemort and then he is discovered to be innocent at the end of the book. By now she has us thinking that Snape is a harmless but suspicious-looking good guy. Who just HAPPENS to be a sadist. But who knows maybe Snape is TripleAgent!Snape and will bring the third party to justice at the last minute. I hope so. That would be HOT! 


~SeventhSqueal

There's no earthly way of knowing / Which direction we are going / There's no knowing where we're rowing / Or which way the river's flowing / Is it raining? / Is it snowing? / Is a hurricane a-blowing? / Not a speck of light is showing / So the danger must be growing / Are the fires of hell a-glowing? / Is the grisly reaper mowing? / Yes, the danger must be growing / 'Cause the rowers keep on rowing / And they're certainly not showing / Any signs that they are slowing!


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