Death and time

[Steve <bboy_mn@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 49210

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Melody <Malady579 at h...>"
<Malady579 at h...> wrote:
> Cantoramy wrote:
> Catoramy asked:
> > In PoA, Harry and Hermione are able to use the Time Turner to
> > liberate Buckbeak, thereby preventing his death.  Yet in GoF, 
> > no one suggests using the TT to prevent Voldemort's return and 
> > Cedric's death.  I know that Dumbledore says in GoF that "no 
> > spell can reawaken the dead."  Would the TT qualify as a spell?
> 
  

Melody replied:
>
> The time turner was *not* used to save Buckbeak after he had already
> died but to save him period.  Dumbledore knew that Buckbeak was not
> tethered behind Hagrid's hut (and therefore not dead) when they were
> in the hospital wing as he told H1&H1 to use the time turner.  He
> *knew* Buckbeak was saved.  Are you following me?  What was in our
> mind a reality without a used time turner was in fact the exact time
> the TT was being used.
> 
> ...VBE...Very Big Edit...
> 
> 
> Melody

bboy_mn:

Perhaps, if we look at this from Dumbledore's perspective, we can
explain it in very few un-convoluted words (then again, maybe not).

Dumlbedore comes out of Hagrid's cabin for the execution and like
everyone else see that Buckbeak has escaped. Dumbledore is happy, he
never wanted Buckbeak executed in the first place.

Now we move to the hospital room. Dumlbedore believes that Sirius is
innocent; Dumbledore knows that Buckbeak escape which means that
Buckbeak if he have be found is available to help Sirius escape. So,
Dumbledore sends Harry and Hermione back in time to catch Buckbeak
when he escapes and has them use him to save Sirius. Dumbledore is NOT
aware that it was actually Harry and Hermione (version TWO) who stole
Buckbeak and saved him from the execution. All he know is that
Buckbeak was never executed.

So, Har2&Her2 capture Buckbeak and save Sirius. History was never
changed. The only difference is that after the fact, we know why
history played out the way it did.

History was never change. That's the most fundamental rule of time
travel. To save Cedric or stop Voldemort would indeed change known
documented history, and that could lead to cataclysmic consequences.

As a side note in anticipation of someone asking, why did Dumbledore
say that H1&H1 could save TWO lives that night, if he already knew
Buckbeak was not executed? While he knows Buckbeak was not executed,
he by no means knows that Buckbeak is out of harms way. But if Sirius
uses Buckbeak to escape, Buckbeak will be under someone's protective
care and a long long way from the Ministry's reach.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn